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#684123 - 02/09/07 04:51 PM Re: Pelosi's abuse of power continues HappyGilmore
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Ron, please see the above post. I don't care if she gets a plane, I understand the need, but why a 7-friggin-57??
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#684128 - 02/09/07 04:53 PM Re: Pelosi's abuse of power continues MB Guy
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mark, IF a 757 is actually necessary, we can't fault her for being from the west coast.

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#684133 - 02/09/07 04:56 PM Re: Pelosi's abuse of power continues Hated By Some
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Ron, I am just going off what I have heard on the news. If the Gulfstream they offered her can make it non-stop to SF and it holds (I am guessing maybe 8/10 people based on our company plane?) enough passengers, why should we foot the bill for her family, entourage, etc?
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#684139 - 02/09/07 05:00 PM Re: Pelosi's abuse of power continues MB Guy
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Ok I have flown on the aircraft she is getting, when I was in the AF. It is no luxury aircraft. Unless they do major modifications, it will just be a mode of transportation. There are contigencies where it is just easier to put the chain of command in the Air, in mobile command posts rather than take them to a not so secret location. But I do agree that she should not get any more than Hastert, think if the Rep from Hawaii was speaker, he/she would still have to stop to refuel.

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#684140 - 02/09/07 05:01 PM Re: Pelosi's abuse of power continues MB Guy
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Where exactly is the security issue with stopping to refuel?

Oh, and the C-20 that Hastert had will make it to SF non-stop. It has a range of 4,100 miles.
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#684145 - 02/09/07 05:04 PM Re: Pelosi's abuse of power continues MB Guy
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Originally Posted By: MB Guy
Ron, I am just going off what I have heard on the news. If the Gulfstream they offered her can make it non-stop to SF and it holds (I am guessing maybe 8/10 people based on our company plane?) enough passengers, why should we foot the bill for her family, entourage, etc?

i think we are on the same page here.

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#684148 - 02/09/07 05:05 PM Re: Pelosi's abuse of power continues Bimmer
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No security issues, there are plenty of air force bases along the way. Offutt becuase of alot of the missions it does has got to be one of the most secure bases and it is in Omaha about halfway there
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#684149 - 02/09/07 05:07 PM Re: Pelosi's abuse of power continues MB Guy
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I think she should get the minimum needed to get her coast to coast, if nonstop is such an issue. I agree with MB Guy-If she can do that in the cheaper Gulf Stream-so be it...there is no need to fly her family and entourage on the taxpayer dime...

I remember a few years ago the Governor of MA (Jane Swift) used a State Police Helicopter to fly home (Boston to Western MA) for Thanksgiving-she didn't want to sit in the Thanksgiving traffic on the Mass Pike-she took a lot of crap for that, as she should have....
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#684287 - 02/09/07 06:26 PM Re: Pelosi's abuse of power continues TB 12
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In reality though, can the plane Hastert had be able to handle a nonstop flight to San Francisco? SO...should she have equal equipment compared to what Hastert had? Or equal opportunity?

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#684296 - 02/09/07 06:31 PM Re: Pelosi's abuse of power continues Imagine
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Originally Posted By: NeophytePolitico
In reality though, can the plane Hastert had be able to handle a nonstop flight to San Francisco? SO...should she have equal equipment compared to what Hastert had? Or equal opportunity?


Primary Function C-20A, operational support airlift; C-20B, special air missions
Builder: Gulfstream Aerospace Corp
Power Plant: Two Rolls-Royce Spey MK511-8 turbofan engines
Thrust: 11,400 pounds each engine
Length: 83 feet, 2 inches
Height: 24 feet, 6 inches
Wing Span: 77 feet, 10 inches
Speed: 576 mph (501 nautical miles) maximum
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 69,700 pounds.
Range: 4,715 miles (4,100 nautical miles) long-range
Load: 14 passengers
Crew: Five
Unit Cost: $22.2 million
Date Deployed: 1983

It's only 2,800 miles from D.C. to SF
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#684311 - 02/09/07 06:38 PM Re: Pelosi's abuse of power continues Bimmer
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
why not give her the sst...it can make the DC/SF run in 45 minutes, which includes an in-flight refuel. If she is that important she can be anywhere she needs to be in under an hour. And, the sst is so fast a SAM can't track and shoot it down. It can track and shoot down the other places we are discussing.
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#684313 - 02/09/07 06:39 PM Re: Pelosi's abuse of power continues Bimmer
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Then why does everyone say the plane Hastert used CANNOT reach San Fran from DC?

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#684314 - 02/09/07 06:39 PM Re: Pelosi's abuse of power continues Hated By Some
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Why not give her a box of pampers and let her use them like the astronut?

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#684315 - 02/09/07 06:42 PM Re: Pelosi's abuse of power continues Imagine
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Originally Posted By: NeophytePolitico
In reality though, can the plane Hastert had be able to handle a nonstop flight to San Francisco? SO...should she have equal equipment compared to what Hastert had? Or equal opportunity?


Frank-
I didn't mean the same exact plane literally-I meant the same accomodations-if Hastert was allowed to fly X # of staff, etc, so should the current Speaker. If the gov't feels a non stop flight is in the interest of security, so be it-she should have the minimum necessary to meet that same requirement.
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#684319 - 02/09/07 06:46 PM Re: Pelosi's abuse of power continues TB 12
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Sox...okay...my bad...being a little too literal here...

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#684330 - 02/09/07 06:53 PM Re: Pelosi's abuse of power continues Imagine
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Originally Posted By: NeophytePolitico
Then why does everyone say the plane Hastert used CANNOT reach San Fran from DC?

because this may legitimately be an example of a biased report. and then the biased report started a biased whisper down the lane.

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#684363 - 02/09/07 07:16 PM Re: Pelosi's abuse of power continues Hated By Some
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Here's a question . . . .

If the President, as leader of the Executive Branch of the federal government, gets a jumbo jet then shouldn't the Speaker of the House, the co-leader (with the VP) of the Legislative Branch get somewhat equal treatment. And then shouldn't the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, too?

Just wondering . . . .

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#684373 - 02/09/07 07:21 PM Re: Pelosi's abuse of power continues steven1950
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
Quote:
being a little too literal here...


Frank, too litteral? You? Nah...(smacks self in head so Frank doesn't have to)

Quote:
If the President, as leader of the Executive Branch of the federal government, gets a jumbo jet then shouldn't the Speaker of the House, the co-leader (with the VP) of the Legislative Branch get somewhat equal treatment. And then shouldn't the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, too?


and this silly logic is what got us to the place to begin with...or, as my Dad used to say "if they all jumped off a bridge..."
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#684482 - 02/09/07 08:22 PM Re: Pelosi's abuse of power continues HappyGilmore
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Originally Posted By: happygilmore
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If the President, as leader of the Executive Branch of the federal government, gets a jumbo jet then shouldn't the Speaker of the House, the co-leader (with the VP) of the Legislative Branch get somewhat equal treatment. And then shouldn't the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, too?


and this silly logic is what got us to the place to begin with...or, as my Dad used to say "if they all jumped off a bridge..."


I guess it makes sense if you ignore the fact that none of the others are heads of state.

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#684493 - 02/09/07 08:31 PM Re: Pelosi's abuse of power continues steven1950
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Originally Posted By: steven1950
Here's a question . . . .

If the President, as leader of the Executive Branch of the federal government, gets a jumbo jet then shouldn't the Speaker of the House, the co-leader (with the VP) of the Legislative Branch get somewhat equal treatment. And then shouldn't the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, too?

Just wondering . . . .

the president is the statesman in chief as well as the cjief executive; he has a need to be every where. the "head legislator" really only has a need to be in DC and to keep the presidential ascendency unclouded.

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#684777 - 02/10/07 12:40 AM Re: Pelosi's abuse of power continues Hated By Some
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It'll be designated "Broomstick One." Ooops. That one's already been used.
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