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#693157 - 02/26/07 04:50 PM More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming Issue
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Global Warming: Fact, Fiction and Political Endgame
Nobel Peace Prize nominee, Albert Arnold Gore, will be the toast of Hollywood at this weekend’s self-congratulatory soiree known as the Academy Awards.

Gore, whose failure to carry his “home” state of Tennessee cost him the 2000 presidential election, has recast himself as the populist pope of eco-theology and the titular head of the green movement’s developmentally arrested legions.

The doughy darling of Leftcoast glitterati has received two Oscar nominations for a junk-science production called “An Inconvenient Truth,” a pseudo-documentary born of the wildly improbable pop film “The Day After Tomorrow.” Gore’s “Truth,” however, is even stranger than the Hollywood fiction that inspired it.

The celebration of Gore’s film coincides, not coincidentally, with the much-ballyhooed release of a media summary of a report on global warming by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. These two events will serve as a fine backdrop for the coming cavalcade of dire ecological predictions by Gore and his ilk. Their goal will be to saturate the all-too-sympathetic media outlets with apocalyptic hysterics about a man-made global disaster. Perhaps, too, if all goes according to plan, we’ll see another Gore presidential run.

All the “Live Earth” road-show talking points will play up an alarming assertion from Bill Clinton’s former veep: “Never before has all of civilization been threatened. We have everything we need to save it, with the possible exception of political will. But political will is a renewable resource.”

To be sure, there is “no controlling legal authority” for this, the biggest political and economic power grab ever attempted. The Left’s desire to hamstring the U.S. economy and force worldwide Kyoto Treaty compliance will, according to one United Nations estimate, cost the world economy $553 trillion this century.

Al Gore may be a comical dupe when it comes to climatology (in college, he collected a C+ and a D in his two natural-sciences courses), but the global-warming debate and the consequences of that debate are serious. To participate meaningfully, one must distinguish between fact and fiction - in addition to understanding the underlying political agendas.

In the inimitable words of the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-NY), “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.” To that end, Al Gore’s “facts” are deserving of rigorous scrutiny.

Separating fact from fiction

First, let’s be clear that the current debate about climate focuses on “global warming,” which is not synonymous with the debate about the environmental consequences of the “greenhouse effect.” The latter issue concerns what, if any, relationship exists between man-made CO2 in the atmosphere and global temperatures.

For the record, most reputable scientists agree that we are in a period of gradual global warming (about 0.7 degrees Celsius in the last century), and that the greenhouse effect prevents our climate from becoming a deep freeze. Most also agree that the level of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased in the last century, and there is a growing consensus that global warming is due, in part, to the greenhouse effect.

However, there is no scientifically established correlation between global-warming trends and acceleration of the greenhouse effect due to human production of CO2—only broad speculation. Although many politicians and their media shills insist that the primary cause of global warming is the burning of hydrocarbons here in the United States, that government regulation of man-made CO2 will curb this global warming, that our failure to limit CO2 output will have dire consequences, and that the costs of enacting these limitations far outweigh the potential consequences, there is no evidence supporting any of these assertions.

Nigel Calder, former editor of New Scientist, notes, “When politicians and journalists declare that the science of global warming is settled, they show a regrettable ignorance about how science works.”

In fact, there remains substantial doubt that the production of CO2 by human enterprise, which contributes only about three percent of CO2 to the natural carbon cycle (the biogeochemical cycle by which carbon is exchanged between the biosphere, geosphere, hydrosphere and atmosphere of the Earth) has any real impact on global temperature, and if it does, that such impact is, necessarily, negative.

Atmospheric CO2 levels have increased from about 315 parts per million five decades ago, to about 380 ppm today, which is to say, there are major factors influencing the amount of CO2 levels in the atmosphere besides our burning of hydrocarbons.

Case in point: The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii has maintained the world’s longest continuous worldwide record of atmospheric carbon-dioxide levels—those cited by global-warming alarmists. In 2002 and 2003, NOAA recorded increases in atmospheric CO2 of 2.43 and 2.30 ppm respectively—a 55 percent increase over the annual average of 1.5 ppm for previous years. In 2004, however, this increase fell back to 1.5 ppm per year.

Did human industrial output somehow increase 55 percent during those two years, and then decline by that amount in 2004? Of course not. For the record, NOAA concluded that the fluctuation was caused by the natural processes that contribute and remove CO2 from the atmosphere.

Al Gore would be hard-pressed to explain NOAA’s findings within the context of his apocalyptic thesis, and he would be hard-pressed to convince any serious scientists that his Orwellian solutions could correct such fluctuations. This is because his thesis is based largely on convenient half-truths.

For instance, Gore insists that the increased incidence of hurricanes, tornadoes, drought and other weather phenomena is the direct result of global warming.

Renowned meteorologist Dr. William Gray takes exception: “The degree to which you believe global warming is causing major hurricanes,” he says, “is inversely proportional to your knowledge about these storms.”

In a recent issue of Discover Magazine, Gray, described by Discover’s editors as one of “the world’s most famous hurricane experts,” wrote, “This human-induced global-warming thing... is grossly exaggerated... I’m not disputing there has been global warming. There was a lot of global warming in the 1930s and ‘40s, and then there was global cooling in the middle ‘40s to the early ‘70s. Nearly all of my colleagues who have been around 40 or 50 years are skeptical... about this global-warming thing. But no one asks us.”

Gore preaches about the two percent of Antarctica that is warming without noting that temperature readings over the rest of Antarctica indicate the continent has cooled over the previous 35 years, or that the UN’s climate panel estimates net snow mass increases in Antarctica this century. Gore notes the increasing temperatures and shrinking ice caps in the Northern Hemisphere but does not note the decreasing temperatures and increased sea ice in the Southern Hemisphere.

Richard S. Lindzen, Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT, writes, “A general characteristic of Mr. Gore’s approach is to assiduously ignore the fact that the earth and its climate are dynamic; they are always changing even without any external forcing. To treat all change as something to fear is bad enough; to do so in order to exploit that fear is much worse.”

Perhaps worse still is Gore’s intellectual cowardice. During his visit to Europe in January, Gore agreed to an interview with Denmark’s largest national newspaper, Jyllands-Posten. Then, when he learned that Bjorn Lomborg, one of the world’s leading critics of eco-theological dogma, was also going to be interviewed, Gore abruptly canceled.

Lomborg, a statistician, has delved deep into the data to expose the environmental movement’s selective and oft-misleading use of evidence. His book, “The Skeptical Environmentalist” was hailed by Washington Post Book World as “a magnificent achievement” and “the most significant work on the environment since the appearance of its polar opposite, Rachel Carson’s Silent Spring, in 1962.” Perhaps a thoughtful debate is what scares Al Gore most of all.

Dr. Roy Spencer, former senior scientist for climate studies at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center, has some additional “Questions for Al Gore” based on what he calls “Gore’s Inconvenient Truth.” We are still awaiting Gore’s reply...

Alternative causes for global warming

Beyond the natural carbon cycle and greenhouse warming, there are some other serious causal explanations for global warming.

Among the suspects are, of all things, the sun and its fellow stars. A venerable scientific journal, Proceedings of the Royal Society, published recent research done at the Danish National Space Center indicating that the impact of cosmic rays on the climate could be much greater than scientists estimated. The researchers put forth evidence that cosmic rays have a lot to do with cloud formation in the atmosphere, which in turn has a lot to do with shielding us from the sun’s warmth. Combining this discovery with evidence that our local star is experiencing historically high levels of solar activity, the researchers suggest that our sun is batting away cosmic rays from elsewhere in the galaxy and thus reducing our planet’s cloud cover. Imagine that: The sun is affecting our planet’s temperature.

Nigel Calder provides another angle on this thesis: “After becoming much more active during the 20th century, the sun now stands at a high but roughly level state of activity. Solar physicists warn of possible global cooling, should the sun revert to the lazier mood it was in during the Little Ice Age 300 years ago. Climate history and related archeology give solid support to the solar hypothesis.”

Research concerning cosmic radiation as a factor in global warming builds on earlier comprehensive research done a decade ago by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine’s Arthur Robinson, whose research soundly refutes Gore’s thesis that global warming is human-induced, noting the relationship between the solar magnetic cycle and global temperatures over the last 250 years.

In 1997, Dr. Frederick Seitz, past president of the National Academy of Sciences, invited colleagues to sign a petition based on Robinson’s work, which received more than 20,000 signers, most of whom hold advanced degrees in relevant fields of study. That petition stated, in part: “There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.”

Some other global-warming factors being seriously considered scientifically include ocean currents, changing jet-stream patterns and the Earth’s mantle activities affecting ocean temperatures.

The Political Endgame

During the second term of the Clinton/Gore administration, the U.S. faced international pressure to become a signatory to the Kyoto Treaty. The Senate, however, passed a resolution rejecting approval of that treaty in an eye-popping show of bipartisanship. The vote was 95-0, and 56 of those senators are still in Congress.

That 1997 Byrd-Hagel Senate resolution objected to the lack of any “specific scheduled commitments” in regard to the CO2 output of 129 “developing” countries, most notably, China and India, the second and fourth most powerful economies in the world.

China, home to 1.3 billion people, will have the largest economy on earth in little more than a decade. Currently, the country accounts for 33 percent of the world’s steel production and 50 percent of all concrete. China burns 2,500 tons of coal and 210,000 gallons of crude per minute. It consumes 24,000,000 watts of energy each minute, most of it produced by coal-fueled generating plants. Every ten days, China fires up a new coal generator, with plans for 2,200 additional plants by 2030. At current growth rates of consumption, China alone will devour all the earth’s resources in three decades and generate a whole lot of CO2 in the process.

Yet European industrial nations and developing nations on other continents would like to see the U.S. economy restrained by the Kyoto Treaty.

Clearly, some U.S. politicians understand the implications of Gore’s folly. Don’t expect that to stop Democrats from milking every last drop of political capital from this debate. Talk of carbon credits and other nonsense is really all about campaign coffers—holding out the threat of regulation as a means of financing campaigns and perpetuating office tenures.

University of Colorado climate scientist Roger Pielke fantasizes about a Gore victory in ‘08 based on swing states with lower-than-average CO2 output: “[I]n 2004 the per-state carbon-dioxide emissions in states that voted for George Bush were about twice as large on a per-capita basis than those in states that voted for John Kerry. If climate change is a major issue in 2008 then there is a decided advantage in [important swing] states to the Democrats. Colorado and Nevada are below the national average for carbon-dioxide emissions, and Ohio and Iowa stand to benefit immensely from an ethanol bidding war.”

However, Gore’s political and economic agenda runs deeper than environmental concerns. In his recent book, The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming and Environmentalism, Christopher Horner, Senior Fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, aptly describes Gore and his ilk as “green on the outside, red to the core,” noting that they are motivated by an anti-capitalist agenda.

Conclusions

Regarding the prevailing winds of contemporary science, my colleague Thomas Sowell reminds us, “Back in the 1970s, the hysteria was about global cooling and the prospect of a new ice age.” I published a collection of those dire predictions in an essay entitled, “The Day After Tomorrow.”

Al Gore’s current hysterics should be received with much more skepticism than the last round of climate soothsayers. A lethal dose of his eco-elixir is precisely the wrong prescription, as it is full of the Left’s archetypal defeatist, retreatist statism but void of regard for real-world economic consequences.

Gore’s flawed analysis notwithstanding, however, sea level has risen, by best estimates, between four and eight inches in the last 150 years.

The annual rate of rise has remained relatively stable since the “big thaw” ended some 6,000 years ago. However, if current temperature trends continue, an increased rate of rise could pose significant challenges to nations around the world as millions of people now live only a few feet higher than current tides.

Although Gore, et al., would insist otherwise, we mere mortals are no match for the age-old forces that heat and cool our planet. Yet, in the face of enormous odds, we Americans have a history of perseverance and success. We can improvise, adapt and overcome—just as we have for hundreds of years in response to catastrophe. Unbridled innovation and ingenuity have served us well throughout our history, and these tools will take us, and the rest of the world, far into the future—unless shackled by a subterfuge like the Kyoto Protocol.



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#693162 - 02/26/07 04:52 PM Re: More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming Issue TheManofSteel
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And from what "news" source did you get this from Fella? Front Page? NewsMax? Insight? Washington Times? NY Post?

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#693163 - 02/26/07 04:53 PM Re: More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming Issue Imagine
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Originally Posted By: NeophytePolitico
And from what "news" source did you get this from Fella? Front Page? NewsMax? Insight? Washington Times? NY Post?



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#693166 - 02/26/07 04:55 PM Re: More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming Issue TheManofSteel
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would that be seen here: http://patriotpost.us/
or here: http://www.patriot-news.com/

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#693169 - 02/26/07 04:56 PM Re: More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming Issue Imagine
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Originally Posted By: NeophytePolitico
would that be seen here: http://patriotpost.us/
or here: http://www.patriot-news.com/



The Patriot Post, a Conservative Commentary newsletter.
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#693174 - 02/26/07 05:00 PM Re: More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming Issue TheManofSteel
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ah yes...a newsletter which I'm sure is the leader of justness in reporting...

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#693176 - 02/26/07 05:01 PM Re: More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming Issue Imagine
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Originally Posted By: NeophytePolitico
ah yes...a newsletter which I'm sure is the leader of justness in reporting...



Well, figure you get the left's view from a left pub, and the right's view from a right pub. It's all about balance Neo.
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#693178 - 02/26/07 05:03 PM Re: More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming Issue TheManofSteel
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I'm sure....

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#693179 - 02/26/07 05:04 PM Re: More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming Issue TheManofSteel
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Is there a Reader's Digest condensed version????

(I have a very short attention span)

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#693182 - 02/26/07 05:06 PM Re: More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming Issue Miscuit
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Ms. Biscuit:

AMLFella & The Right: We're not so sure that our lack of cracking down on pollutants is the cause of global warming. Besides...there's SNOW outside...how can it be "warm"?

Myself & The Left: THE WORLD IS GOING TO END!!!!!!!!!!!

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#693185 - 02/26/07 05:08 PM Re: More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming Issue Imagine
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Ok...as I suspected.

I'll just remain in the "middle".

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#693191 - 02/26/07 05:10 PM Re: More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming I Miscuit
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The funny thing is that back in 1975 the scientists were talking about global cooling.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2006news/newsweek-coolingworld.pdf
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#693195 - 02/26/07 05:14 PM Re: More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming Issue Miscuit
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Originally Posted By: Ms. Biscuit
Is there a Reader's Digest condensed version????

(I have a very short attention span)


To make it easier, I edited out the remainder, as I really only wanted to present the global warming article. Please look back up at the first post now.

Neo, the end can come, but first my Steelers have to win one for the other hand
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#693198 - 02/26/07 05:16 PM Re: More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming I Bimmer
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The funny thing is that back in 1975 the scientists were talking about global cooling.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2006news/newsweek-coolingworld.pdf


And in 1492...people told Columbus the world was flat!
I know that Global Warming is cause for debate, as it should be.

But, in my opinion, regardless of whether you believe Global Warming is man made or is a natural occurence, we all should care for the environment a bit more then we do...

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#693200 - 02/26/07 05:17 PM Re: More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming Issue Miscuit
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Ditto that!

As much as I try to do my part part to protect the environment (ie. carpool, controlled thermostat, recycle and such), the earth continues to warm, water rise and all that jazz....isn't the reality of it that we are simply in an overall warming cycle, and have been for thousands of years now, and which most likely we have not even peaked in yet?

We have no idea just how many of these hot-age/ice-age cycles we have had in our earth's lifetime, nor how many more are to come. But that is what our planet does...we heat up, die, freeze, and then warm up and come back to life again...depending on several factors. How do we not know that one of our fellow planets is not doing the same thing right now?

Yeah, I do think things do sound bleak for the next several thousand years to come, but I wonder it that is what happens? And nothing we can do will influence this...it is just what it is?

And if that is the case, I say hurry it up....hate having to go to south several times of the year to work on my tan!! Let the sun reign, and the sea coasts rise to meet me in Milwaukee!
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#693202 - 02/26/07 05:22 PM Re: More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming Issue #Just Jay
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Ditto that!

As much as I try to do my part part to protect the environment (ie. carpool, controlled thermostat, recycle and such), the earth continues to warm, water rise and all that jazz....isn't the reality of it that we are simply in an overall warming cycle, and have been for thousands of years now, and which most likely we have not even peaked in yet?

We have no idea just how many of these hot-age/ice-age cycles we have had in our earth's lifetime, nor how many more are to come. But that is what our planet does...we heat up, die, freeze, and then warm up and come back to life again...depending on several factors. How do we not know that one of our fellow planets is not doing the same thing right now?

Yeah, I do think things do sound bleak for the next several thousand years to come, but I wonder it that is what happens? And nothing we can do will influence this...it is just what it is?



BBS,if so, then it is part of the natural cycle of things. And although I think we transcend nature, mysteriously we are still part of its cycles, so we will adapt with it.

On a lighter note, if we do not adapt, and our species perishes, then there is hope, as you may have noticed in last week's news that chimps have been obserevd to use tools and spears for hunting. That species is evolving, and eventually they will become human over the course of thousands of years. And then it starts all over again.
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#693207 - 02/26/07 05:25 PM Re: More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming Issue TheManofSteel
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Originally Posted By: bbsgrant
Ditto that!

As much as I try to do my part part to protect the environment (ie. carpool, controlled thermostat, recycle and such), the earth continues to warm, water rise and all that jazz....isn't the reality of it that we are simply in an overall warming cycle, and have been for thousands of years now, and which most likely we have not even peaked in yet?

We have no idea just how many of these hot-age/ice-age cycles we have had in our earth's lifetime, nor how many more are to come. But that is what our planet does...we heat up, die, freeze, and then warm up and come back to life again...depending on several factors. How do we not know that one of our fellow planets is not doing the same thing right now?

Yeah, I do think things do sound bleak for the next several thousand years to come, but I wonder it that is what happens? And nothing we can do will influence this...it is just what it is?



BBS,if so, then it is part of the natural cycle of things. And although I think we transcend nature, mysteriously we are still part of its cycles, so we will adapt with it.

On a lighter note, if we do not adapt, and our species perishes, then there is hope, as you may have noticed in last week's news that chimps have been obserevd to use tools and spears for hunting. That species is evolving, and eventually they will become human over the course of thousands of years. And then it starts all over again.


And that is just what I wonder it is...simply the natural cycle...and we just happen to be along for this portion of the ride. So enjoy it, and do your best to make it as pleasurable as you can for you and others.
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#693210 - 02/26/07 05:29 PM Re: More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming I Bimmer
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Originally Posted By: Bimmer
The funny thing is that back in 1975 the scientists were talking about global cooling.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2006news/newsweek-coolingworld.pdf


There is a simple explaination for that one. It is quite simple really, and something geologists, meteorologists, and farmers already know. Our weather patterns are, that's right, cyclical. So, we have periods of warming and periods of cooling. Shocker, right? This is one of the most important things the Farmer's Almanac uses to predict weather patterns, and they may not be 100% accurate, but they are pretty darned good.

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#693214 - 02/26/07 05:32 PM Re: More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming I B_F
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No one is denying that our weather patterns are cyclical. What is at the core of the debate is the notion that humans are catalysts in regards to the changing of these weather patterns.

If any of you had even taken the time to watch "An Inconvienent Truth" instead of just believing liberal and conservative talking points...you might understand this a little more then what Glenn Beck or Leonardo DiCaprio have told you...

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#693220 - 02/26/07 05:37 PM Re: More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming I Imagine
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The fact of the matter is, we won't know if we have been significant catalysts to these weather patterns for the next centuries. They aren't short term patterns.

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#693223 - 02/26/07 05:40 PM Re: More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming I B_F
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Benglas...I can sympathise with that...but Gore in his film shows that there are cyclical occurences...but in recent years there has been a sharp spike.

So...we will see...but I do believe it is my duty to do whatever I can to help stop global warming...

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#693231 - 02/26/07 05:49 PM Re: More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming I B_F
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has anybody seen the commercial where the guy is talking about sports out of his ass? then he gets v-cast and he knows what he is talking about? great commercial.

Neo, how could watching that movie be any more informative or less biased than any conservative or liberal viewpoints? In fact, if you are basing any arguements on one movie then you should know better. but i am sure you tune in to disc science or something also.

Anybody read the report on human induced rain patters? quite interesting.

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#693234 - 02/26/07 05:54 PM Re: More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming I Imagine
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Originally Posted By: NeophytePolitico
Benglas...I can sympathise with that...but Gore in his film shows that there are cyclical occurences...but in recent years there has been a sharp spike.

So...we will see...but I do believe it is my duty to do whatever I can to help stop global warming...


Did Gore talk about the UN report which states that cow farts put more CO2 in the atmosphere than all the cars combined???
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#693258 - 02/26/07 06:16 PM Re: More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming I Bimmer
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I'm hoping that Gore will get off the warming thing and get on the fat consuming issue - he's now a poster boy for the over consuming of food - also, wouldn't eating way too much food contribute to global warning - you know the extra flatulence, coming form Gore and the cows, before he eats them? So, walking around practically obese is not a good thing, global warming wise, right?

In addition, what the heck happen to Gore's neck – it’s gone?


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#693281 - 02/26/07 06:34 PM Re: More Dissenting Debate on the Global Warming I Bimmer
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Originally Posted By: NeophytePolitico
Benglas...I can sympathise with that...but Gore in his film shows that there are cyclical occurences...but in recent years there has been a sharp spike.

So...we will see...but I do believe it is my duty to do whatever I can to help stop global warming...


Did Gore talk about the UN report which states that cow farts put more CO2 in the atmosphere than all the cars combined???


See...like I said...I'm doing my part...I'm eating all the cows...

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