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#720721 - 04/24/07 03:07 PM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran Hated By Some
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and some crack flying by billie dee williams


I don't recall a drug-related scene in that movie!

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#720732 - 04/24/07 03:12 PM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran straw
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Are you actually using a sci fi movie to justify foreign policy?

hardly, straw.


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Should I use Star Trek examples to prove you wrong?

it depends on what you are trying to prove. (and be careful because star trek is inherently geeky while star wars is cool )

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#720738 - 04/24/07 03:17 PM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran Hated By Some
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r..ig..h..t.

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#720757 - 04/24/07 03:30 PM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran straw
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r..ig..h..t.

?

i explained to j what i was getting at. since i'm a big family guy fan, i speak in pop culture parables like peter griffin does from time to time.

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#720761 - 04/24/07 03:32 PM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran Hated By Some
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Originally Posted By: Ron Mexico
pelosi is not a head of state.


Correct, which means Bush would provide this maniac with even greater legitimacy than Pelosi did for Assad.

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also, perhaps if we recognized an actual LEGITIMATE head of state instead of acting like the perceived imperialists they claim us to be, maybe it could go somewhere.


They do not have a legitimate government, Ron. Do you even know what you're talking about?

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#720766 - 04/24/07 03:34 PM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran Jokerman
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great, the spokesman for the amercian conservative empire--our very own J-- speaks...

the rest of the world seems to think that ahmadinejad is the president of iran. J thinks that the shah is still in power. ::pats head::

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#720777 - 04/24/07 03:41 PM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran Hated By Some
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Ron, he does not govern with the consent of the governed. He is chosen from a list pre-approved by the mullahs. He is not a legitimate head of state. In fact, he's not even a head of state. The "supreme leader" is. I really think you need to stop arguing about things you are ignorant of.

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#720779 - 04/24/07 03:44 PM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran Jokerman
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wow, so because their government doesn't function as a democracy, it is illegitimate.

j, i KNOW how their government is set up. he is for all intents and purposes their head of state.

"we will only talk to you once you get rid of your nuke program and you overthrow the ayatollah!" ::puts fingers in ears to not hear anything else::

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#720786 - 04/24/07 03:52 PM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran Hated By Some
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Originally Posted By: Ron Mexico
wow, so because their government doesn't function as a democracy, it is illegitimate.


No, because the power of the government is not derived from those governed, it is illegitimate. Liberals used to understand this, before BDS took hold.

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#720790 - 04/24/07 03:56 PM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran Jokerman
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No, because the power of the government is not derived from those governed, it is illegitimate.

i don't disagree that that iran is not a democracy, j. (is that an echo? )

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#720803 - 04/24/07 04:09 PM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran Hated By Some
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Then don't legitimize that government when you're getting nothing in return.

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#720864 - 04/24/07 05:05 PM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran Hated By Some
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No, because the power of the government is not derived from those governed, it is illegitimate.

i don't disagree that that iran is not a democracy, j. (is that an echo? )


actually, if my memory serves me right, the iraqies turned out in drones to elect.
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#720866 - 04/24/07 05:07 PM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran Hated By Some
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Funny thing about Admiral Ackabar and his crew defeated and destroyed the Death Star, one Super Star Destroy and nearly the entire Empirial Navy in one swoop.

i think han, the force and some crack flying by billie dee williams had a lot to do with that.


Yes, General Solo was under the command of Ackbar. Check out the movie again. He says, I'll be happy to serve.
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#720882 - 04/24/07 05:22 PM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran Sound Tactic
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some guy, wtf are you getting at/talking about?

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#721010 - 04/24/07 06:23 PM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran Hated By Some
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The inconsistant result of your poor analogy.
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#721025 - 04/24/07 06:32 PM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran Sound Tactic
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The inconsistant result of your poor analogy.

so i was making an analogy rather than saying that J would say something that amounts to "it's a trap!"?

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#721044 - 04/24/07 06:38 PM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran Hated By Some
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The sad thing, Ron, is that you think your interests are more allied with Mahmoud than with me. Keep on thinking that.

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#721059 - 04/24/07 06:44 PM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran Jokerman
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no, i have the same interests that you do. i just don't agree with your absolutist and unwavering tack.

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#721115 - 04/24/07 07:14 PM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran Hated By Some
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I don't agree with your appeasment "strategy".

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#721120 - 04/24/07 07:18 PM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran Jokerman
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I don't agree with your appeasment "strategy".

i don't agree with you calling it an "appeasement strategy". i would call it "negotiating". i don't expect a conservative to blink first though. blinking is inherently weak and this weakness leads to promoting nukes and a worldwide caliphate.

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#721272 - 04/24/07 09:58 PM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran Hated By Some
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i would call it "negotiating".


You have to deal with a rational party for negotiation to work, Ron. What are the mullahs interested in that you are ready to give up?

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#721301 - 04/24/07 11:15 PM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran Jokerman
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TWO years of negotiations with Europe. Do we have a deal?

Why not?

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#721341 - 04/25/07 01:51 AM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran Hated By Some
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Originally Posted By: Ron Mexico
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I don't agree with your appeasment "strategy".

i don't agree with you calling it an "appeasement strategy". i would call it "negotiating". i don't expect a conservative to blink first though. blinking is inherently weak and this weakness leads to promoting nukes and a worldwide caliphate.


Ron, in a half-way decent situation, of course one would like discourse to be the means of settling disputes. In that case, it would require 2 sides willing to understand the others interests, and work for either a win-win (best case) or compromise (lower case) scenario. What is the interest of the other party? To establish Islamic-based regimes world-wide and dispense with all other religions; to annihilate the nation of Israel; to wipe out our distorted satanic western ideals of liberty, such as woman enjoy here that they do not in nations under Sharia----> all noble causes that are in the U.S.'s and the west's best interests in general, right??!!! So let us get Steven Covey away from his writing desk, and have him negotiate a win-win situation with the peaceful, liberty-loving mullahs of Iran and the honorable benevolent dictator of Syria. Maybe they will stop killing U.S. Soldiers in Iraq with IEDs, and possibly throw in a boon to Israel too by ceasing to fund Hezzbollah. Fair trade-offs, wouldn't you say.
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#721350 - 04/25/07 02:16 AM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran TheManofSteel
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What is the interest of the other party? To establish Islamic-based regimes world-wide and dispense with all other religions; to annihilate the nation of Israel; to wipe out our distorted satanic western ideals of liberty, such as woman enjoy here that they do not in nations under Sharia

man, you've got them pegged! although it seems glib, this is completely accurate.

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#721351 - 04/25/07 02:18 AM Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran Hated By Some
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Originally Posted By: Ron Mexico
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What is the interest of the other party? To establish Islamic-based regimes world-wide and dispense with all other religions; to annihilate the nation of Israel; to wipe out our distorted satanic western ideals of liberty, such as woman enjoy here that they do not in nations under Sharia

man, you've got them pegged! although it seems glib, this is completely accurate.


Ahh, "Now I see" said the blind man to his deaf wife as his parapalegic son walked to the door.
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