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#715500 - 04/12/07 05:23 PM
Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran
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ROn, you think the Brit example means they will negotiate. I posit that is exactly why the Iranians created the crisis in the first place.
If you want to talk naive, I suggest you check the mirror my friend. so when do we invade?
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#715516 - 04/12/07 05:31 PM
Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran
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When do we end negotiations?
Or do we keep going until a mushroom cloud appears? Bingo!!!
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#715520 - 04/12/07 05:36 PM
Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran
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When do we end negotiations?
Or do we keep going until a mushroom cloud appears? When did we START negotiations?
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#715528 - 04/12/07 05:40 PM
Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran
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listen, i have said before i think iran is a bigger threat than iraq was at the time. BUT we are in iraq so who's going to tell the american people and our troops that we've decided to wage war on iran, too? Ron, officially or not, Iran is already waging war on the U.S., or do the bodybags coming home from IED's built by Iranian-trained Iraqi insurgents not qualify, and the armaments coming through from Iran and Syria to the insurgents not qualify, or the finacial funding of various terror groups not qualify?
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#715538 - 04/12/07 05:46 PM
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another day, another hole "DQ, I don't understand what you think piling on accomplishes. That's what SP used to do." Huh? What the heck did I do???
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#715540 - 04/12/07 05:47 PM
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i agree, countries should feel free to sanction to theirheart's content...just realize that there are consequences to what they do. In other words, you're free to cut off trade with Iran, but Iran will have casus belli to nuke you as a result. Tread carefully.
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#715558 - 04/12/07 06:00 PM
Re: It All May Have Backfired on Iran
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When do we end negotiations?
Or do we keep going until a mushroom cloud appears? When did we START negotiations? How long has Europe and the IAEA been talking to Iran about uranium enrichment? Or does that not count?
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#715559 - 04/12/07 06:01 PM
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listen, i have said before i think iran is a bigger threat than iraq was at the time. BUT we are in iraq so who's going to tell the american people and our troops that we've decided to wage war on iran, too? Ah, so Iran is a threat but we have no choice but to negotiate? That'll work out real well.
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#720049 - 04/23/07 02:21 PM
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"The religious doctrine which dictates Hizbullah’s actions in general and those relating to the Jihad in particular, is based on the rulings of the spiritual leader in Teheran. The spiritual leader has the power to permit our actions, and the spiritual leader can forbid them.
"In order to know what is permitted and forbidden regarding the Jihad, we ask for and receive overall permission and only then do we carry out the operation.
"Even with regard to the suicide bombings, no one is allowed to kill himself without religious authorization.
"Even the rocket attacks on Israel, against the civilian population [Aug 2006] … in order to apply pressure, even this required overall religious authorization." I believe Ron's point in this thread was to tar a few of us as war-mongers. I think this confession by Hezbollah makes it clear that open war is upon us, whether we would risk it or not.
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#720146 - 04/23/07 03:39 PM
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This is the future you are advocating. no it's not! you keep using the word "appease". i've simply said to turn up the heat without making them go into turtle-mode. if it gets too far along, then we can bomb them to your heart's content.
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#720149 - 04/23/07 03:41 PM
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I basically agree with everything Straw and -J-- are stating about the dangers of appeasement. However, in the midst of any and all actions we take, we also need to nurture the pro-democracy movements within Iran and Syria. The stronger these movements become, the more instability these pro-terror regimes will face.
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#720193 - 04/23/07 04:23 PM
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I don't know if a war will solve it, but I do know appeasement will not. Classic. Thanks, Ron. Iran has been waging war on us for 28 years. The embassy, the Marine barracks, the infiltration of Iraq...it's all part of their strategy to reduce our influence in the region to the point that they can eliminate Israel. And Ron wants us to sit down and negotiate them, and pretend that we aren't already at war. I'm not advocating an invasion. I think that ought to be an option, but that we have to weigh carefully the impact that will have on the populace, with whom the current government is unpopular. But for Ron to suggest that ending their ability to import gasoline ought to be off the table...that's ridiculous.
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#720199 - 04/23/07 04:29 PM
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I think that ought to be an option when have i said it shouldn't be an option? But for Ron to suggest that ending their ability to import gasoline ought to be off the table...that's ridiculous. no, i simply think that if we go that route, we'd better have the bombers in the air at the same time.
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#720241 - 04/23/07 05:00 PM
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I think that ought to be an option when have i said it shouldn't be an option? You would never say anything so definitive, Ron. C'mon - we know you. You'll just be vague and ridicule anyone who advocates anything specific, ask a lot of questions, then be critical of the motives of anyone who disagrees with you. no, i simply think that if we go that route, we'd better have the bombers in the air at the same time. We'd better have the bombers ready to go all the time as it is.
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#720253 - 04/23/07 05:25 PM
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You would never say anything so definitive, Ron. C'mon - we know you hasn't W's presidency shown us that being commited to a plan and holding your ground may not be a great policy? certainly there are enough things to be considered before we blindly follow the path that 'the Divine' has set before us.
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#720259 - 04/23/07 05:44 PM
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You would never say anything so definitive, Ron. C'mon - we know you hasn't W's presidency shown us that being commited to a plan and holding your ground may not be a great policy? certainly there are enough things to be considered before we blindly follow the path that 'the Divine' has set before us. Your right better to be wishy-washy and not know anything, just so know one can criticize you...... right?
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