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#717366 - 04/17/07 03:52 PM
Re: Media Coverage of the V Tech Massacre
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I can't imagine the pain and anguish the parents, friends and relataive are going through. Having said that, it is premature to demand anyones resignation. They need time to sort this out. Some are so quick to point fingers and assign blame. As others have said, how can they "lock down" the entire campus?
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#717367 - 04/17/07 03:53 PM
Re: Media Coverage of the V Tech Massacre
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At what point did the campus police turn the initial matter over to the actual police?
Discuss..... uhhh, if you know the answer, how bout you tell us so that we can discuss? I did not see it from a cursory search. I don't know the answer. It's another one of those confusing points in the reports so far.
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#717372 - 04/17/07 03:56 PM
Re: Media Coverage of the V Tech Massacre
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Are campus police not 'real' police? At my college they thought they were, but they were really just parking enforcement...
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#717373 - 04/17/07 03:56 PM
Re: Media Coverage of the V Tech Massacre
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aml, i know that at many large campuses, like PSU for example, the campus police ARE actual police. And at some, University of Penn, for example, they are not. I don't know how it works at VA Tech.
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#717375 - 04/17/07 03:57 PM
Re: Media Coverage of the V Tech Massacre
Hrothgar Geiger
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Sorry I'm coming late to the discussion, but what I heard from the media on this yesterday was repulsive (and I didn't stay to listen very long). It was just a lot of grossly exaggerated, sensationalized hype.
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#717377 - 04/17/07 03:58 PM
Re: Media Coverage of the V Tech Massacre
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I think it is incredibly sad that instead of reporting on what a devastating tragedy this whole thing is that most are more focused on trying to blame others for their actions relating to an unprecedented event. It is extremely easy to come up with a better course of action after an event has occurred. Looking back you can say "A complete lock-down have saved lives" or "Metal detectors and armed guards at every building have prevented this" but who could have imagined that something like this would happen on a campus that had not seen an on campus shooting in over 50 years? It's a piece of cake to put together a plan that would have prevented something that has already happened.
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#717383 - 04/17/07 04:06 PM
Re: Media Coverage of the V Tech Massacre
Hrothgar Geiger
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I went to a large school, and there was a shooting during homecoming weekend my freshman year. A shooter randomly starting shooting into a fraternity house where a party was taking place, and killed one person who happen to be hit inside the house. No lockdown occured. No way could that have happened. Most students didn't know about it until the Monday after it happened (it was Saturday night).
In 1966 when Charles Whitman started shooting people from the Tower in Austin, students were notified but some didn't believe it, and still went about their day. Whitman was up there for over an hour (I believe), and was shooting people the whole time.
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#717385 - 04/17/07 04:11 PM
Re: Media Coverage of the V Tech Massacre
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Personally, before I blame the university, I will blame the media's sensationalism of Columbine, the producer of the movie "Bowling for Columbine", and everyone else who glorified prior tragedies like this. They basically told the REAL guilty party, the shooter, that he would be remembered forever in history and a movie would be made about him. Anyone want to bet on the fact that they do make a movie of this eventually? The fact that the shooter was a South Korean, not a product of US culture, change your opinion?
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#717386 - 04/17/07 04:13 PM
Re: Media Coverage of the V Tech Massacre
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The fact that the shooter was a South Korean, not a product of US culture, change your opinion? i know why you said that and i agree with the purpose behind it, but make no mistake that the gun culture he was a part of since 1992 surely played a role.
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#717387 - 04/17/07 04:16 PM
Re: Media Coverage of the V Tech Massacre
Hrothgar Geiger
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At what point did the campus police turn the initial matter over to the actual police?
Discuss..... Per the timeline that VT put out, the Blacksburg police were working with the campus police from the very beginning (somewhere between 7:15 and 7:30).
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#717389 - 04/17/07 04:19 PM
Re: Media Coverage of the V Tech Massacre
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Thanks for that info CF!
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#717393 - 04/17/07 04:23 PM
Re: Media Coverage of the V Tech Massacre
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At what point did the campus police turn the initial matter over to the actual police?
Discuss..... uhhh, if you know the answer, how bout you tell us so that we can discuss? I did not see it from a cursory search. Are campus police not 'real' police? In the city, generally campus police give parking tickets and that's about it. I guess in areas such as this where the campus population is probably larger than the town's, the campus police are "real" police, but about as "real" as any other small town or suburban police force (i.e., doesn't take much before they're over their heads).
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#717396 - 04/17/07 04:28 PM
Re: Media Coverage of the V Tech Massacre
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fine...I'm wrong...
but try telling the parents demanding the President and Chief of Police resign they're wrong... No problem....They're wrong too. It is understandable that in their moment of pain and anguish, they would want to assign blame, but doing so will not bring their children back, nor prevent someone else intent on hurting someone from inflicting the pain they plan to pursue. With time comes clarity, and that clarity will show that the university goes out of its way to provide for the safety of their students. You can plan and prepare for catasrophy(sp), but you cannot prevent someone so sick and depressed from inflicting pain on others if that is their true intent.
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#717397 - 04/17/07 04:30 PM
Re: Media Coverage of the V Tech Massacre
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The fact that the shooter was a South Korean, not a product of US culture, change your opinion? i know why you said that and i agree with the purpose behind it, but make no mistake that the gun culture he was a part of since 1992 surely played a role. I hadn't seen he was here since 1992.
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#717406 - 04/17/07 04:43 PM
Re: Media Coverage of the V Tech Massacre
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I think that Neo has a point that things definitely could have been done better. I remember when I was in school and anytime classes were canceled, even at a late hour, we knew in no time.
Hopefully, there will be some new type of warning system that will be developed and this will never happen again.
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#717416 - 04/17/07 05:02 PM
Re: Media Coverage of the V Tech Massacre
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Hopefully, there will be some new type of warning system that will be developed and this will never happen again. I tend to think that there are systems that exist today, some might already be in place, that can be used effectively. One thing that I've advocated for some time is running school drills (from elementary school through high school and college) on how to react to gunmen/intruders. Not unlike running fire drills.
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#717417 - 04/17/07 05:02 PM
Re: Media Coverage of the V Tech Massacre
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[quote=straw The fact that the shooter was a South Korean, not a product of US culture, change your opinion? [/quote]
He should be called a murderer, not a shooter!
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#717432 - 04/17/07 05:20 PM
Re: Media Coverage of the V Tech Massacre
Hrothgar Geiger
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Hopefully, there will be some new type of warning system that will be developed and this will never happen again. I tend to think that there are systems that exist today, some might already be in place, that can be used effectively. One thing that I've advocated for some time is running school drills (from elementary school through high school and college) on how to react to gunmen/intruders. Not unlike running fire drills. That is an excellent point. What happened after 9-11? I thought that most institutions were supposed to be prepared for extreme emergency situations.
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#717443 - 04/17/07 05:35 PM
Re: Media Coverage of the V Tech Massacre
Hrothgar Geiger
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One thing that I've advocated for some time is running school drills (from elementary school through high school and college) on how to react to gunmen/intruders. Not unlike running fire drills. Well...they did in NJ remember? But they were "Christians" so it was unjustified persecution and unrealistic that it would happen...
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