There are FIFTEEN....smash....TEN, Ten commandments...

Whats your job?
I'm a philosopher.
You mean a bull $ hitter...did you BS this week? Did you BS last week?

You are probably too young to remember the movie, grasshopper.

How about when Moses parted the Red Sea, and it was because he was being robbed... ??

indeed, I have never seen it.
However, I like the sounds of nymphos and queens.

You really ought to rent it, if you know your world history, it is hysterical!

LOLoad.

Its good to be the King...

You don't put out, he don't get out!

And now, the catapult! Meowwwww!

Repeat after me: "Death to King Loooiuuueeeee! cough, cough cough..."

"Death to King Loooiuuueeeee! cough, cough cough..."

You are killing me, DQ...

How about some Roman Red...

"Oh P iss Boy!!!"

he drops the tip into the bucket...HORK

"Don't forget the shake!"

Don't forget:

The Inquisition, here we go, the Inquisition what a show, bet your wishin that we'd go away, but the Inquisition's here and it's here to stay!!!!!"

Torqemada, you can't talk him outta anything...

"We have beaten their knees and broken their thumbs, not a convert not a one, one one. Now's the time to send in the nuns!"

2 points: my issue is about self-determination here. second, how many of the people who feel this way also support the death penalty?

please try to explain this correlation.
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I made up the correlation. It is a hypothetical to flesh out logical reasoning, or lack thereof.

straw, i'm not following you.

I am not saying assisted suicide is murder. I am trying to understand why those against assisted suicide are trying to establish a religion.

But illegality/immorality regarding murder comes from religious beliefs, much like the beliefs that assisted suicide is immoral.

im not going the establishment route. i am going the moralism vs self-determination route. unlike murder, the right of the individual should be given consideration. a murderer chooses to end the life of the victim.

You seem to hold those against assisted suicide in contempt because their opinion is based on religious beliefs.

I was asking if their opposition were to be based on non-religious beliefs, would you hold their opinion with the same contempt.

What if the victim wishes their life to end?
What if we are not sure what the person's determination is?

Is murder (not assisted suicide) immoral?

no, i have a problem with them forcing those beliefs on others. try to convice them? sure, but the individuals rights should be paramount here. enough to trump laws where society says "this is a bad practice".


it's not contempt, but yes.

like suicide by cop? what are you thinking of here?


is this schiavo territory? living wills are helpful in this regard. communications to family are also instructive.

So would it be okay if the person signed a waiver "approving" assistance to end their life?

it depends. i'm not familiar with what these 'waivers' are. it sounds like the person is saying that they want assitance in terminating their own life.

"What if it was based on academic studies that demonstrated a correlation between patients who chose assisted suicide and higher divorce rates in families left behind?"

Huh?
I would not believe it.

Bottom line - Keep Your Laws Off My Body!

Well I just made it up. But yes, it would be like a consent form. If there was one of these forms signed by the person that was assisted, would there still be an argument?

Sure, suicide by cop. Or, the victim has expressed a desire for death and somone, without discussing with victim, kills them.

Yes, Schiavo disturbed me in that we were not ending treatment, but were going to starve her on the basis of what she may or may not have said. Schiavo didn't have documentation and I am not sure I agree with taking this action without clear, written instructions.


Finally, sorry, I added a last question after I made the original post.

Is murder (not assisted suicide as I am not saying it is murder) immoral?