Earlier you answered that a paralyzed person would not qualify, which means you have some qualifications in mind. Now, as usual, you will defer to experts.

Does that mean that a paralyzed person could request AS?

What makes your values judgement superior to J's?

What the [censored] do you mean by that? That I don't think the person means anything? I think it's pretty easy to argue that I think they mean more than you do. I think it's incredibly wrong headed to say that it's no one else's business whether they live or die. I value people with MS, or with brain damage, or who are paralyzed. I believe that no matter the disability, no matter the disease, no matter the mental state, they have something to contribute to life here.

And, counselor, what limits do Roe and Doe, together, allow to be placed on abortion? Effectively, none - an abortion must be allowed at any time if it determined to be in the best interest of the "mental health" of the mother. Even the recent decision allowing the prohibition of one particularly grotesque procedure will still not allow government to ban all ninth-month abortions. The Court specifically said was only allowing the law to stand because other late-term abortion procedures were still available.



That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. Just as I am entitled to mine. Even though [gasp!] mine is informed by ideas about the inherent worth of human beings as children of God and the value of the life He has granted.

unlike you, j, i don't think that i know what is best for everyone.


AS laws were upheld today because gun stores and pharmacies are still operating...

i'd rather try to acknowledge reality and make an attempt to help certain people who want to help themselves. rather than trying to find a common ground in the criteria, you and straw will just dig in in some academic exercise and ignore the practical one.

It's not that I think I know what is best for everyone, while you only know what is best for the 99.99% of the population not facing the exceptional conditions in which you would allow "assisted" suicide. It's that I think that life is valuable, no matter who is living it; you think that some lives aren't of the same value, and thus it's ok for doctors to end them.

huh?

i'm not sure how allowing some people dignity is degrading life. but right, rather than allow a doctor to help them ease their suffering, let's effectively require them to hang themselves or shoot themselves. much better.

So, when I try to find common ground in the criteria, you return to experts better capable can decide.

How is this finding common ground in the criteria?

Furthermore, finding common ground in the criteria concedes the point that AS is a grand idea, which I have said I am not sure about. I have not decided if we should allow it or not, and that is why fleshing out the criteria would help.

Instead of doing that, you retreat to I think we do this, but have no idea how ground that you keep going to.

Discussions, arguments, disagreement, communications of any kind, require two people. Two people who actually value each others opinions.

Not sure you value anyone elses, so why should we value yours?

ok, well, while you are trying to decide, people are still going to pharmacies and gun shops.


in 2 months time you won't have to worry about the scourge to this board known as Ron Mexico.

hey where do you think you are going?

back to school rodney dangerfield-style! i've been practicing my "triple lindy"!

Maybe you will learn something this time.

Simply repeating your improper analogies will not make them any more correct.

And as you have said, let's start somewhere.

I wish I could go back to school, I would love to be a professional student. Just go to school as a job. See how much stuff I could truly fit into this blond head of mine!!!

let's hope, straw. :pats head:

of course they are. :pats head:

Condescension from Ron; how unusual.

I also agree 100%

This thread made me think of this song:

Let Me Go Easy

Come pleasure me again. I'm so tired of digging in.
I've done my share, don't need to win, just let me go easy.
For two years my body fights. At this point it don't seem right.
Just to do it out of spite and keep hanging on.

Go on let me go easy. Won't you let me go easy, you let me go right now.

I see the numbers dwindling, of my enemies and my friends.
And still I know it never ends, so I'm passing you this torch.
Fight the greed and the federals. Fight the need and the toxic spills.
Drink from that wishing well, but may it never quench your thirst.

Let me go easy. Go on let me go easy. Won't you let me go easy,you let me go right now.
Let me go easy. Go on let me go easy. Won't you let me go easy,you let me go right now.

So when you get to Ladenville, 'fore the tears the fare thee wells, for a moment stand real still and you'll feel me moving on.
You go ahead with your plans, you won't be seeing me again, but you'll feel me in the hand, the hand that holds the plough.

Let me go easy. Go on let me go easy. Won't you let me go easy,you let me go right now.
Let me go easy. Go on let me go easy. Won't you let me go easy,you let me go right now.

written by Amy Ray (Indigo Girls) to honor a friend that died after a long struggle with cancer.

You said that you're only going to allow it in certain circumstances. Circumstances that are, thankfully, very rare. So, you're going to prohibit is for everyone else. Almost as if you know what's best for them. Moralizer.

Letting go is not the same as being sent off.