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#865891 - 12/04/07 06:24 PM
Re: Man Accused Of Slipping Woman Abortion Pill
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Since I don't agree that abortion = infanticide, you *shouldn't* draw that conclusion, but I'm sure you will anyway. Since I do not agree that recognizing and respecting the value of unborn human life = imprisoning women within their fecundity, you *shouldn't* draw that conclusion, but you already have anyway. Well, what's the TMOS(TM) approved way of saying that women who conceive are legally required to carry to term, regardless of risks to their own health and well-being?
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#865895 - 12/04/07 06:29 PM
Re: Man Accused Of Slipping Woman Abortion Pill
Hrothgar Geiger
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Since I don't agree that abortion = infanticide, you *shouldn't* draw that conclusion, but I'm sure you will anyway. Since I do not agree that recognizing and respecting the value of unborn human life = imprisoning women within their fecundity, you *shouldn't* draw that conclusion, but you already have anyway. Well, what's the TMOS(TM) approved way of saying that women who conceive are legally required to carry to term, regardless of risks to their own health and well-being? Firstly, in typical Barb/RonMex/Yoss fashion, you have made presumptions about risks to their own health and well-being and my position, in spite of the fact that this was not addressed in this thread (except in analogies discussed between Straw and myself). The approved way of saying conceiving and carrying a child to term is called "right to life" and is predicated upon holding innocent unborn human beings to have value. Another way of saying it is "respect for the dignity of unborn human life." But I am sure none of that will penetrate your thinking.
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#865898 - 12/04/07 06:31 PM
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#865905 - 12/04/07 06:36 PM
Re: Man Accused Of Slipping Woman Abortion Pill
Hrothgar Geiger
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Well, what's the TMOS(TM) approved way of saying that women who conceive are legally required to carry to term, regardless of risks to their own health ... Why would TMOS approve a way of saying something he doesn't appear to believe?
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#865922 - 12/04/07 06:52 PM
Re: Man Accused Of Slipping Woman Abortion Pill
Hrothgar Geiger
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His expressed view is that at the moment of conception, a set of unspecified rights belonging to the fertilized egg outweigh the rights and privileges of an adult female citizen. I started to say I don't think that represents his expressed view, but I'll let him deal with that. For me, I bolded the two places where you misrepresent my view. 1) The fetus's rights (let's be clear we're not just talking about a fertilized egg - doctor's don't perform abortions on a fertilized egg, but on a fetus) are not unspecified. We're talking about the right to life. 2) The fetus's rights don't automatically outweigh the mother's rights - the two should be weighed against each other. Usually, the right to life is viewed as more important than other freedoms, but there are circumstances where that might not hold true (hence the discussion that Ms. Becka started).
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#865924 - 12/04/07 06:53 PM
Re: Man Accused Of Slipping Woman Abortion Pill
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His expressed view is that at the moment of conception, a set of unspecified rights belonging to the fertilized egg outweigh the rights and privileges of an adult female citizen. I started to say I don't think that represents his expressed view, but I'll let him deal with that. For me, I bolded the two places where you misrepresent my view. 1) The fetus's rights (let's be clear we're not just talking about a fertilized egg - doctor's don't perform abortions on a fertilized egg, but on a fetus) are not unspecified. We're talking about the right to life. 2) The fetus's rights don't automatically outweigh the mother's rights - the two should be weighed against each other. Usually, the right to life is viewed as more important than other freedoms, but there are circumstances where that might not hold true (hence the discussion that Ms. Becka started). I'd say this is quite representative of my positions. Counselor, you are hired as the family attorney.
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#865928 - 12/04/07 06:56 PM
Re: Man Accused Of Slipping Woman Abortion Pill
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By AML: regardless of risks to their own health and well-being Wow, now you're just making stuff up, too. Something in the water today?
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#865939 - 12/04/07 07:02 PM
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Yet another glaring example of why Shemp has him on ignore. and i am concerned that shemp has me on ignore because....?
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#865993 - 12/04/07 07:47 PM
Re: Man Accused Of Slipping Woman Abortion Pill
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Since I don't agree that abortion = infanticide, you *shouldn't* draw that conclusion, but I'm sure you will anyway. Can you name one "pro-choice" group that opposes partial-birth abortion (read infanticide)?
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#866019 - 12/04/07 08:03 PM
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What is your definition of viability?
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#866024 - 12/04/07 08:07 PM
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Now they use "mental health" of the mother. The only real barrier to a late term abortion is the "ethics" of the abortionist.
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#866027 - 12/04/07 08:10 PM
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so we are supposed to ignore those in orphanages--a number set to increase exponentially under the conscientious conservative plan because we are going to force women to deal with their child instead? "if that ***** just could've kept her legs closed". the man has no responsibility?
seems like the things you talk about hardly even deal with the problem as it currently stands.
but in theory and priniciple, man, you all sound so pious and righteous. I must admit that you have a point, Huge Ron - it does seems that the pro-life groups stop supporting kids at birth, especially those kids on the poor side of town. Having been in an orphanage for years myself provides me with direct evidence, but I was allowed to be born, I was not aborted - if I would have had a say as an unborn, even knowing of the struggle ahead, I'd choose life. Wow -X- that is hardcore. And to have the courage to say so online. Having lived in an orphanage and struggling thorugh what followed must have really shaped your character and way you see life. It sure did, Steel - those of us that were probably closer to being aborted than others seem to have a better understanding of the abortion issue and I'm sure that all of us would choose life over abortion - big time. Of course, now that choice is in the hands of mothers and those that encourage them to abort - the unborn child has no vote, they simply are killed as if they never existed. I'd ask all of those posting here - how would the baby vote if that were possible? Also, Jesus will return some day. But, will he be aborted?
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#866031 - 12/04/07 08:11 PM
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What is your definition of viability? i defer to the medical community for this. i am not a doctor.
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#866033 - 12/04/07 08:12 PM
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What is your definition of viability? i defer to the medical community for this. i am not a doctor. But your girlfriend says you like to play doctor . . . 
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#866040 - 12/04/07 08:15 PM
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Since I don't agree that abortion = infanticide, you *shouldn't* draw that conclusion, but I'm sure you will anyway. Can you name one "pro-choice" group that opposes partial-birth abortion (read infanticide)? There's no such medical procedure. What is it that you're actually asking about?
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#866043 - 12/04/07 08:17 PM
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Since I don't agree that abortion = infanticide, you *shouldn't* draw that conclusion, but I'm sure you will anyway. Can you name one "pro-choice" group that opposes partial-birth abortion (read infanticide)? There's no such medical procedure. What is it that you're actually asking about? Dilation & Extraction procedures are called D&X, Intact D&X, and Intrauterine cranial decompression. The non-medical terms: PBA and Partial-birth Abortions are commonly used by the public.
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#866056 - 12/04/07 08:31 PM
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"if not, they should be outlawed if after viability"
"i defer to the medical community for this. i am not a doctor."
???????????????????????????????? How can you make one statement and then the next, I can't believe you would let someone else state what your opinion would be. I think your second answer is a cop out.
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#866057 - 12/04/07 08:32 PM
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I don't object, except when the fetus isn't dead.
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#866062 - 12/04/07 08:40 PM
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Of course, now that choice is in the hands of mothers and those that encourage them to abort... Actually, that choice is only in the hands of potential mothers. I'd ask all of those posting here - how would the baby vote if that were possible? Margaret Sanger asked people to consider that very question!
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#866064 - 12/04/07 08:42 PM
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I don't object, except when the fetus isn't dead. Are there other medical conditions, pertaining to either the mother or fetus, to which you would also not object?
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#866070 - 12/04/07 08:48 PM
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Intact Dilation and Extraction is used in late stages of pregnancy to remove a dead fetus from the mother. Why on earth would you object to that? Because the living baby is partially delivered , then he is killed and a suction device is used to remove all brain matter.
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#866071 - 12/04/07 08:49 PM
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Of course, now that choice is in the hands of mothers and those that encourage them to abort... Actually, that choice is only in the hands of potential mothers. I'd ask all of those posting here - how would the baby vote if that were possible? Margaret Sanger asked people to consider that very question! In a significantly different context.
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#866081 - 12/04/07 08:56 PM
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Of course, now that choice is in the hands of mothers and those that encourage them to abort... Actually, that choice is only in the hands of potential mothers. I'd ask all of those posting here - how would the baby vote if that were possible? Margaret Sanger asked people to consider that very question! In a significantly different context. No doubt her life experiences led Sanger to different conclusions than Mr. _X_'s experiences have led him, but the intention of asking the question remains the same - to give consideration for the interests of the unborn child. I could add to my previous response that the decision is no more in the hands of those who encourage abortion that it is in the hands of those who discourage it.
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