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#866779 - 12/05/07 05:38 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? HappyGilmore
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#866785 - 12/05/07 05:44 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? TB 12
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#866786 - 12/05/07 05:44 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? TB 12
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#866801 - 12/05/07 05:58 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? Retired DQ
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SECOND WARNING! No more pm/ignore/poking nonsence. If you can't speak to the topic, don't speak at all, ok? Third strike will be thread deletion.

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#866805 - 12/05/07 06:00 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? Truffle Royale
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#866808 - 12/05/07 06:03 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? Imagine
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Back on topic:
This is the article that the Think Progress blog post was referencing.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1204/p02s02-usgn.html

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"My sense is that you could say anti-Muslim comments that you could never get away with, saying for example, as anti-Jewish comments," said Stephen Wessler of the Center for the Prevention of Hate Violence in Portland, Maine. "There's a much greater public level of acceptance of denigrating Muslims."


I don't think Mr. Wessler is wrong. How do we go about changing this thought process? Hateful speech is hateful speech. So how does one overcome it.

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#866812 - 12/05/07 06:07 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? Imagine
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By keeping your own nose clean and not citing hateful speech onseself, thus not further encouraging it. Also, not stirring the pot by painting with broad brush strokes and relating any valid criticisms to xenophobia.
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#866816 - 12/05/07 06:09 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? TheManofSteel
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TMOS, do you think there is a severe case of xenophobia in the US in 2007?

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#866820 - 12/05/07 06:11 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? Imagine
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#866822 - 12/05/07 06:11 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? Imagine
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Originally Posted By: Snow Miser
Hateful speech is hateful speech. So how does one overcome it.


By not engaging in it yourself. Hatred - whether it is directed at Muslims, Christians, Mexicans, Women, etc. - is a waste of energy.
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#866830 - 12/05/07 06:15 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? Becka Marr
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Swim, the short answer would not seem to be completely 'true' based on the poll numbers in the CS Monitor article regarding the publics sentiments on Muslims since 9/11.

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#866835 - 12/05/07 06:19 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? Imagine
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I would question the source of the poll...CS Monitor, while I'm sure a mighty fine publication, I wonder what their polling source pool is.

I would imagine that if it was a poll of it's readers, then yes, I would assume that you will have higher numbers fearing muslims.
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#866842 - 12/05/07 06:24 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? Imagine
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Originally Posted By: Snow Miser
do you think there is a severe case of xenophobia in the US in 2007?


xen·o·pho·bi·a - an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.

Severe case? I don't think so. And what we do see in the way of xenophobia I think has more to do with fear than hatred.
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#866861 - 12/05/07 06:38 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? #Just Jay
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I would question the source of the poll...CS Monitor, while I'm sure a mighty fine publication, I wonder what their polling source pool is.

I would imagine that if it was a poll of it's readers, then yes, I would assume that you will have higher numbers fearing muslims.


Uh, you don't really know what the Christian Science Monitor is, do you?

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#866866 - 12/05/07 06:40 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? Imagine
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Originally Posted By: Snow Miser
TMOS, do you think there is a severe case of xenophobia in the US in 2007?
No, but I think there is a severe case of equating reasonable discussion and reasonable dissenting views on certain issues with xenophobia. I also think applying the label of xenophobia to just such unfounded instances increases during election years.
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#866869 - 12/05/07 06:42 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? TheManofSteel
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Fair assessment TMOS. I'd hope that reasonable discussion and reasonable dissent be tolerated by all. Perhaps the phrase xenophobia is too easily tossed around. And perhaps it does happen too often in election years. But, I believe you're a listener, was Mr. Savage justified in his comments?

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#866873 - 12/05/07 06:44 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? Imagine
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Are you refering to Michael Savage? I do not listen to him.
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#866874 - 12/05/07 06:45 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? TheManofSteel
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I thought you did TMOS, I apologize. Yes. The Mr. Savage referenced in the blog and the article is Michael Savage.

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#866883 - 12/05/07 06:50 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? Imagine
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Michael Savage aka "Weiner" by the Great One, Mark Levin lol
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#866885 - 12/05/07 06:52 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? Jokerman
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Originally Posted By: Tom Thumb
Originally Posted By: bbsgrant
I would question the source of the poll...CS Monitor, while I'm sure a mighty fine publication, I wonder what their polling source pool is.

I would imagine that if it was a poll of it's readers, then yes, I would assume that you will have higher numbers fearing muslims.


Uh, you don't really know what the Christian Science Monitor is, do you?


I do...what would you like to know about it?
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#866932 - 12/05/07 07:18 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? Imagine
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#866948 - 12/05/07 07:30 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? #Just Jay
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Originally Posted By: bbsgrant
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Originally Posted By: bbsgrant
I would question the source of the poll...CS Monitor, while I'm sure a mighty fine publication, I wonder what their polling source pool is.

I would imagine that if it was a poll of it's readers, then yes, I would assume that you will have higher numbers fearing muslims.


Uh, you don't really know what the Christian Science Monitor is, do you?


I do...what would you like to know about it?


I'd like to know why you think a disproportionate share of its readers have a fear of Muslims?

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#866992 - 12/05/07 07:58 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? Jokerman
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Because even though in theory it is a non-denominational paper, it does have the support of a church, prints religious articles daily, is geared towards a christian crowd, often solicits subscription business in christian churches, I suspect it thus tends to have a more "christian" following, a following that may be more leary of those who take a more extreme view of God.

An extremely small group of radical muslims takes to the use of voilence and hate to deliver their message, and while this is not the approach of vast majority of muslims, it is the most publisized side that we see. It is not hard to imagine people would be leary of muslims based on the narrow view they see and hear about.

Taking it a step further, some "christian" churches, not all but some, will preach to fear not based on what they know, but what they do not know. I am not saying that this makes up the reading base of CSM, but I would make the assumption that they would very well be within the consistent reader group of CSM. This, if they are polling their readers, then yes, I would not be surprised that CSM readers poll would show a higher fear of muslims.

As I said in my original post, I stated that I assume and suspect, not know, hence why I am interested in the polling pool source.
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#867138 - 12/05/07 09:20 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? #Just Jay
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Uh, Christian Scientists are neither. I doubt they get much of a Christian following.

I would not consider 10% an extremely small minority.
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#867143 - 12/05/07 09:23 PM Re: Does the U.S. tolerate anti-Muslim speech? #Just Jay
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Look, BBS, I'm not trying to be argumentative, but you really don't know much about Christian Scientists or this publication for you to have made the post that you've made. Seriously, look into it if you want to. The kind of Christians you are stereotyping won't touch the CSM with a ten foot pole.

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