http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/11/agent.tapes/index.html

I wish I had the post from Barbie that says "torture" (notice the quotes) does not yield reliable information.

ol' Abu was singing like a bird with reliable info that saved lives after just 35 seconds of waterboarding

and on the Senate floor today we have Reid again condemning this technique - he is such a disgrace to be in a leadership position

Pale, there is no need to save American lives by pouring water on someones face.

If I remember right (which I could be wrong) Barbie's defense was that this was "torture", that it yielded unreliable information, that it actually didn't work (which has now been proven otherwise) and that just because our enemies do it, we shouldnt because their troops should be given the same rights as US citizens - including voting (OK I made that part up).

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Torture is only effective if you know with certainty that the person you are torturing possesses the information you are seeking and if you can tell with certainty if he or she is lying.

You can waterboard me and I'll tell you within minutes all the secrets of Al Qaeda... not because I actually know anything, but because I'll make crapp up just to end the torture... as would anyone else.

Well, I don't think they are just randomly selecting some clown just walking down the street and waterboarding him....

the info from Abu was verified as accurate and the results are fact!

So, if you are not absolutely sure that the person has the information, Watorboarding does not work? Wierd. It seems like the CIA knows otherwise. Especially if the person tells you who has the information. Your argument is so riddled with holes I don't even know where to begin.

And I don't think they would select me as someone who would know anything about Al Qaeda. However, I believe there's probably lots of people picked up who have the slightest of associations and are tortured just to see what info it may turn up -- good or bad. My impression of our "intelligence" community is that they're pretty sloppy.

It works in that it gets someone to say something -- if I tortured you, you'd give me information, not necessarily information that's useful though. And I think some in the CIA and other groups that conduct the torture do it because they enjoy it.

I believe that those people are putting their lives on the line to keep your family safe, and I think you owe them the benefit of the doubt, not slander.

"My impression of our "intelligence" community is that they're pretty sloppy."

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Glad I worked all those hours doing the best damn job I could so you could call me sloppy. What a joke, you have no clue how the intel community works and Cod willing you never will

The idiots running this country have had 7 years benefit of the doubt -- doubting is long overdue...

Ooooo because it's a secret... shhhhh....

You are freaking unbelievable, you give no respect to the people that protect this country, I am not just talking about the troops overseas in harms way, I am also talking about the ones serving back here, the civilians that work for the DOD and even down to the people that make sure to send a care package. You are a fine SELFISH piece of work.


You expect these protections but give nothing but slander back in return!

You don't want to respect the President? Fine. But to slander career intelligence officers is pathetic, even for you.

But your argument was that in order for you to get the information from me, you would have to absolutely know that I had it. This is simply not true. It is also simply not true that the CIA is randomly torturing people - or in my opinion torturing anyone at all.

So now George Bush is torturing people?

it seems to be working, as we continue to reply to your torturous posts

maybe you ought to really get to know yourself....intimately