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#875574 - 12/18/07 11:02 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Pale Rider
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Is Pale Santa really Mike Huckabee?

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#875576 - 12/18/07 11:03 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Imagine
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what an insult!!!!!!!!!!!!

Baptist theology is way too liberal for me!

I am a conservative evangelical who happens to be pre-mil, trib and a literalist concerning the millenium
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#875612 - 12/19/07 12:26 AM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Imagine
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Yes they exist Miser, but the Democrat party platform almost universally excludes them and gives them little voice. Here is some history for you:

http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/~rauch/nvp/politics/newrepublic_democrats.html

Here are some outspoken pro-life Dems, but you will see they tend to be battling within the Dem party:

http://prolifedemocratsinmichigan.110mb.com/
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#875624 - 12/19/07 02:16 AM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 TheManofSteel
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they tend to be battling within the Dem party


Except for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid - he seems to be doing OK within the party despite being opposed to abortion.

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#875631 - 12/19/07 03:59 AM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Yossarian
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Originally Posted By: Yossarian
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they tend to be battling within the Dem party


Except for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid - he seems to be doing OK within the party despite being opposed to abortion.


Considering he makes no fuss about it, but takes the far left position on a number of other issues, I see no reason why he would not do well within his party. I cannot say the same for the actual stance on the party platform, which was the whole point.
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#875679 - 12/19/07 01:51 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 TheManofSteel
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You guys really just don't get it and thanks for proving my point.

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#875692 - 12/19/07 02:04 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 straw
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Originally Posted By: straw
You guys really just don't get it and thanks for proving my point.


I suppose from your angle it would prove your point.
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#875694 - 12/19/07 02:07 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 TheManofSteel
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You should try my angle. It's a bit of a right angle, but still an interesting one.

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#875695 - 12/19/07 02:08 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 straw
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Originally Posted By: straw
You should try my angle. It's a bit of a right angle, but still an interesting one.


lol
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#875735 - 12/19/07 02:37 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Yossarian
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Originally Posted By: Yossarian
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they tend to be battling within the Dem party


Except for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid - he seems to be doing OK within the party despite being opposed to abortion.


Mr. Reid may be opposed to having abortion for convenience generally legal, but I've seen no evidence to support that. Can you provide some?

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#875745 - 12/19/07 02:44 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Jokerman
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Does it really matter? Are you going to argue that either party is more/less inclusive than the other?

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#875748 - 12/19/07 02:49 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 straw
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I don't see a pro-life Democrat having a legitimate chance at the Democratic presidential nomination anytime soon. Do you?

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#875749 - 12/19/07 02:50 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 straw
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Originally Posted By: straw
Does it really matter? Are you going to argue that either party is more/less inclusive than the other?



I see you obtuse angle straw, but I would still maintain the pubbies are more inclusive and have a bigger "tent"
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#875752 - 12/19/07 02:52 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Jokerman
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Originally Posted By: Jokerman
I don't see a pro-life Democrat having a legitimate chance at the Democratic presidential nomination anytime soon. Do you?


I'd dare say a pro choice GOP has no legitimate shot at the GOP nomination either. Look at Rudy's numbers where it matters; the early states (not national polls).

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#875756 - 12/19/07 02:54 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Jokerman
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Originally Posted By: Jokerman
I don't see a pro-life Democrat having a legitimate chance at the Democratic presidential nomination anytime soon. Do you?


I don't see how any of this matters. What would be the point of having political parties if people who hold any position could join them? What would the parties stand for then?

Why would you want a political party that would support both pro-choice and pro-life?

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#875885 - 12/19/07 04:09 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 straw
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I don't see how any of this matters. What would be the point of having political parties if people who hold any position could join them? What would the parties stand for then?


I didn't say it mattered. I'm just saying that the parties are not symmetrical in their requirements about adhering to party dogma.

Originally Posted By: Snow Miser
I'd dare say a pro choice GOP has no legitimate shot at the GOP nomination either. Look at Rudy's numbers where it matters; the early states (not national polls).


He may not wind up being the nominee. But I'd say his odds are as good as anyone's in the race right now. Every candidate has their challenges. A lot of people have said this is a two-person race between Romney and Giuliani - I disagree, but you can't say that Giuliani isn't one of the top competitors.

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#875891 - 12/19/07 04:13 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 straw
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Originally Posted By: straw
Originally Posted By: Jokerman
I don't see a pro-life Democrat having a legitimate chance at the Democratic presidential nomination anytime soon. Do you?


I don't see how any of this matters. What would be the point of having political parties if people who hold any position could join them? What would the parties stand for then?

Why would you want a political party that would support both pro-choice and pro-life?


Straw, to me the issue is, would the Democrtaic party allow someone who is staunchly pro life run for anything of signifigance. The answer is no. Although abortion is an ancillary issue with the parties, too many ancillary issues have shifted to become forefront and pivotal to "getting needed votes".
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#875893 - 12/19/07 04:14 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Pale Rider
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Originally Posted By: Pale Santa
Originally Posted By: straw
Does it really matter? Are you going to argue that either party is more/less inclusive than the other?



I see you obtuse angle straw, but I would still maintain the pubbies are more inclusive and have a bigger "tent"


ROFL $10 says this gets reported.
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#875894 - 12/19/07 04:15 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Sound Tactic
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Originally Posted By: snow mizer
I'd dare say a pro choice GOP has no legitimate shot at the GOP nomination either. Look at Rudy's numbers where it matters; the early states (not national polls).


OK, but if you look at who most Republicans support, he is the favorite, so I would say - like I usually do with you, that you are wrong and ilinformed. Remember, Bush was behind McCain in 2000 early in primarys.
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#875904 - 12/19/07 04:25 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Sound Tactic
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GO Fred and definately pro life and he won't change that for anyone!!!
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#875933 - 12/19/07 04:51 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 kms
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GO Fred and definately pro life and he won't change that for anyone!!!


Unless he's hired to lobby for a pro choice group...
And before anyone says, "But Thompson denies it...", I'm sure his clients have the proper bills for his service.

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#875978 - 12/19/07 05:31 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Imagine
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Originally Posted By: Snow Miser
Originally Posted By: kms
GO Fred and definately pro life and he won't change that for anyone!!!


Unless he's hired to lobby for a pro choice group...
And before anyone says, "But Thompson denies it...", I'm sure his clients have the proper bills for his service.


Which he did 15 years ago, once. I am sure that is more than enough time for him to have formed a sounder, more well-informed view:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/20/opinion/main3080192.shtml

Lobbyists are under no legal or ethical obligation to take all comers as clients; it is reasonable to infer that Thompson had no strong objection to the policy he was paid to promote. Pro-lifers should nonetheless treat this episode as a regrettable bit of ancient history — provided that Thompson demonstrates that he has changed his mind about the right to life.
He certainly seems to have done so. In his first campaign for the Senate, he said that states should be able to impose reasonable restrictions on abortion but that he himself did not think that it should be criminalized. While in the Senate, however, he voted with pro-lifers almost every time; he now describes himself as pro-life and says that he opposes embryo-destructive stem-cell research
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#875998 - 12/19/07 05:50 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Imagine
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Originally Posted By: Snow Miser
And before anyone says, "But Thompson denies it...", I'm sure his clients have the proper bills for his service.


Actually, I don't think he personally ever denied it, which seems to me to imply that he did something for the group. But, the group most certainly did not have the billing records (they were specifically asked to provide them), which seems unusual, also.

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#876005 - 12/19/07 05:52 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Jokerman
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[quote=straw]I don't see how any of this matters. What would be the point of having political parties if people who hold any position could join them? What would the parties stand for then?


I didn't say it mattered. I'm just saying that the parties are not symmetrical in their requirements about adhering to party dogma.

quote]

Of course they are not and of course the party you support is much more open. And of course Democrats will say the same thing. And of course, this argument really proves nothing other than each side believes itself superior to the other (big shock).

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#876012 - 12/19/07 05:57 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 straw
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You're right - the Democrats will say the same thing. I wonder if Joe Liebermann will believe them.

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