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#876013 - 12/19/07 05:59 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Jokerman
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Originally Posted By: Jokerman
You're right - the Democrats will say the same thing. I wonder if Joe Liebermann will believe them.


And I wonder how many liberal Republicans have lost primaries?

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#876015 - 12/19/07 06:00 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 straw
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Lincoln Chafee didn't - unfortunately.

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#876017 - 12/19/07 06:01 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Jokerman
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By the way, it's not the fact that he lost the primary that merited his mention. It's that the party establishment threw him under the bus.

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#876023 - 12/19/07 06:04 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Jokerman
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Originally Posted By: Jokerman
By the way, it's not the fact that he lost the primary that merited his mention. It's that the party establishment threw him under the bus.


Oh sorry I didn't realize you were changing the subject. No liberal republican was ever disfavored over a conservative one. And please don't ask me to name one, I really don't feel like looking and you and I both know that has happened at some point in history.

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#876049 - 12/19/07 06:32 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 straw
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Originally Posted By: straw
Originally Posted By: Jokerman
By the way, it's not the fact that he lost the primary that merited his mention. It's that the party establishment threw him under the bus.


Oh sorry I didn't realize you were changing the subject. No liberal republican was ever disfavored over a conservative one. And please don't ask me to name one, I really don't feel like looking and you and I both know that has happened at some point in history.


I really don't think this is changing the subject. I thought the subject we were discussing was wheather someone could deviate from the acnillary issue of abortion, and be an effective "party candidate" for their party. For the Republicans - yes for Democrats - No. IMO
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#876053 - 12/19/07 06:34 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Sound Tactic
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Originally Posted By: straw
Originally Posted By: Jokerman
By the way, it's not the fact that he lost the primary that merited his mention. It's that the party establishment threw him under the bus.


Oh sorry I didn't realize you were changing the subject. No liberal republican was ever disfavored over a conservative one. And please don't ask me to name one, I really don't feel like looking and you and I both know that has happened at some point in history.


I really don't think this is changing the subject. I thought the subject we were discussing was wheather someone could deviate from the acnillary issue of abortion, and be an effective "party candidate" for their party. For the Republicans - yes for Democrats - No. IMO


A story I just read was Guiliani now tied with Huckabee.

And I guess I can end the discussion with the following:

I hereby concede the point that Republicans are more welcoming to differing opinions, are more open, honest, trustworthy, religious, family oriented, honorable, patriotic and are better in every way to Democrats.

Does this make you guys feel better.

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#876065 - 12/19/07 06:48 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 straw
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No, but nor does the news that Guiliani and Huckabee are now tied. If Huckabee wins Hillary is our next President... which is why Huckabee is getting so much coverage. He stands no chance in a Presidential election.
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#876069 - 12/19/07 06:49 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Sound Tactic
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Originally Posted By: Visionary Harry
No, but nor does the news that Guiliani and Huckabee are now tied. If Huckabee wins Hillary is our next President... which is why Huckabee is getting so much coverage. He stands no chance in a Presidential election.


Would you prefer I said those things about Democrats?

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#876071 - 12/19/07 06:52 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 straw
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Originally Posted By: Visionary Harry
No, but nor does the news that Guiliani and Huckabee are now tied. If Huckabee wins Hillary is our next President... which is why Huckabee is getting so much coverage. He stands no chance in a Presidential election.


Would you prefer I said those things about Democrats?


No, it would really disappoint me. I never took you as liar.
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#876073 - 12/19/07 06:54 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 straw
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Originally Posted By: straw
No liberal republican was ever disfavored over a conservative one.


I don't think that's the question at issue. The question is, is one party establishment more sold out to the special interest groups than the other, and therefore less likely to tolerate dissent within the party? I think so. If you disagree, I can respect that, but please don't try to assign motives for my opinion - it's simply what I've observed. Thanks.

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#876079 - 12/19/07 06:59 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Jokerman
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I am not trying to assign motives. Just observing that each side believes this and will argue vehemently regarding it.

Special interest groups dominate both parties; don't kid yourself.

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#876109 - 12/19/07 07:17 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 straw
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Groups that have interests, sure. But by "special interest" I'm referring to a much narrower segment. I don't think "families who favor lower taxation" or "people who want the border enforced" or "Americans who want a strong national defense" are quite as narrow as the ACLU, NAACP, NOW, or AFL-CIO.

Again, just my opinion.

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#876152 - 12/19/07 07:44 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Jokerman
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Groups that have interests, sure. But by "special interest" I'm referring to a much narrower segment. I don't think "families who favor lower taxation" or "people who want the border enforced" or "Americans who want a strong national defense" are quite as narrow as the ACLU, NAACP, NOW, or AFL-CIO.

Again, just my opinion.


How about the NRA? Or is that too broad for you?

It happens on both sides, but again you being a Republican will feel that Republicans are less beholden, more open, in genearl better at whatever it is than Democrats.

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#876155 - 12/19/07 07:46 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 straw
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Well there is no doubt that, as a special interst group the NRA represents the right, but to fit J's criteria into membership requirements of the NRA or the opposite to the ALCU dont necessarily fit.
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#876162 - 12/19/07 07:50 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Sound Tactic
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Well there is no doubt that, as a special interst group the NRA represents the right, but to fit J's criteria into membership requirements of the NRA or the opposite to the ALCU dont necessarily fit.


So someone who favors gun restrictions would be allowed to join the NRA?

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#876173 - 12/19/07 07:54 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 straw
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So someone who favors gun restrictions would be allowed to join the NRA?

My guess is that anyone who wants to pay their dues can join the NRA, but I imagine the same is true of the ACLU. I'd think the NRA has much broader membership, however.

It's a fair point, though, straw - I would consider the NRA to be a special interest group. But I'd still say that the Dems are held hostage by them to a larger extent.

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#876213 - 12/19/07 08:17 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Jokerman
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Actually Straw, your opinion on gun control is not a requirement to join the NRA. They do have "thier slogans" and mottos and crud but you can pay to play.

The NRA supports the right and is (although in support of gun control) somewhat moderate. But the left is represented by what I consider (and many others) extreme left groups. I mean, how much press are we goona give to Nancy Sheehan, the ALCU, Michael Moore and even AARP.
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#876259 - 12/19/07 08:53 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Sound Tactic
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We should note that the NRA does endorse Democrats.

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#876393 - 12/19/07 11:12 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 straw
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I would say that while you feel very strongly that your side is better than the other, and the other side feels better about themselves than your side, when you step back there is very little difference between either party.

Here are a few of differences between the two parties.

Taxes:
D - raise taxes, destroy the economy.
R - lower taxes, trickle economics works.

Iraq:
D - retreat and wallow.
R - remain and win.

Global warming:
D - suckered by Al Gore despite the facts.
R - rightly indignant.

Religion:
D - Political correctness and secularism run amok.
R - Activly promote the value of religion.

Immigration:
D - Come on in...ignore our borders and laws!
R - Come on in...legally!

War on Terror:
D - That's just a bumper sticker slogan.
R - Uhhhh...they crashed planes into buildings, blew up embassies, blow up women and children, and actively plot the death of Americans and Europeans.

I could go on...I'm sure others will.

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#876396 - 12/19/07 11:15 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Milby
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That's just a bumper sticker slogan.


just like War on Drugs
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#876419 - 12/20/07 02:38 AM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Robin Goodfellow
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Milby...nice and unbiased...

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#876499 - 12/20/07 02:45 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Imagine
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Milby...nice and unbiased...

LOL... I thought you would like that!

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#876585 - 12/20/07 03:49 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Milby
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Haha...its ok Milby, I've heard a lot of it in my short lifetime...I just laugh at it sometimes...no worries...

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#876668 - 12/20/07 05:37 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Imagine
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Haha...its ok Milby, I've heard a lot of it in my short lifetime...I just laugh at it sometimes...no worries...

See...who says Reps and Dems can't get along?!?! Just you stay on your side of the aisle and I on mine

RE: your short life time...as the saying goes "a conservative at twenty has no heart; a liberal at thirty has no head." Here is a trivia question - who originally opined this quote? It will surprise you to know it wasn't Churchill.

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#876690 - 12/20/07 06:07 PM Re: "Fair & Balanaced" View on God & Pres 2008 Milby
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