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#930696 - 03/26/08 06:29 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia TheManofSteel
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can you explain the william ayers affiliation?

can you explain why the islam/obama threads were so numerous and had so many pages?

thanks in advance!

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#930701 - 03/26/08 06:35 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Hated By Some
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Originally Posted By: Ronzilla
can you explain the william ayers affiliation?


No, you can get off your lazy butt and do Google Search yourself. I am not your biotch.

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can you explain why the islam/obama threads were so numerous and had so many pages?

Reread my last post on this point, especially the more substantive part. Thank you in advance! [/quote]
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#930706 - 03/26/08 06:39 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia TheManofSteel
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Here is some food for thought for you, an earlier discussion on the very topic, complete with a linking article:

http://www.bankersonline.com/forum/ubbth...true#Post913002
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#930714 - 03/26/08 06:44 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia TheManofSteel
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i want you to explain ayers because i want to hear you put into your own words why this is so significant.

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Reread my last post on this point

obviously this doesn't address my point about the popularity via # of posts and # of threads on that subject. perhaps you can point out who the 'people who matter' are and how they stayed on the sidelines and/or dismissed the connection as nonsense.

(i already thanked you for delivering on what i asked and has still not been delivered. i am not going to thank again for making me clarify your direction after your obvious dodges)

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#930724 - 03/26/08 06:50 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Hated By Some
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Originally Posted By: Ronzilla
i want you to explain ayers because i want to hear you put into your own words why this is so significant.

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Reread my last post on this point

obviously this doesn't address my point about the popularity via # of posts and # of threads on that subject. perhaps you can point out who the 'people who matter' are and how they stayed on the sidelines and/or dismissed the connection as nonsense.

(i already thanked you for delivering on what i asked and has still not been delivered. i am not going to thank again for making me clarify your direction after your obvious dodges)

Nice try, but your typcial Ronsesne is not going to win the day.
My post above of a previous thread discussing William Ayers delivers plenty of my thoughts on the issue.

As for the # of posts etc on the name "Hussein" I already pointed out it is meaningless to us. You can carp about # of posts etc, it makes no dent in me, and since it makes no dent in me, I am not compelled to look up how many threads and/or posts were made on the subject.
That is the very last I will address Ronsense with you. Stick to the pertinent issues, or be ignored.
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#930729 - 03/26/08 06:55 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia TheManofSteel
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ok. i don't feel like doing any extra research on this ayers issue. it hasn't hit my news radar (though this is likely due to the vast leftist 'elect obama!' conspiracy)

blackdog, please continue to deliver value to those who employ you. i couldn't care less if you ignore me. if you don't want to address why an issue was such a hot topic, i can accept that. i won't accept your declarations of who and what is worthy though. now back to delivering value to whomever employs you and trolling right-wing blogs with you!

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#930744 - 03/26/08 07:04 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Hated By Some
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Ron, I believe we have had this conversation over and over, and you refuse to believe that Obamma's voting record has anything to do with how liberal he is.

And, you have stated that every single issue that he has voted on may have been part a larger, less liberal issue and that his voting record is meaningless.

With statements of belief like that, how can anyone:

A. Take you seriously.
B. Have honest discourse with you as to how liberal Obamma is?
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#930748 - 03/26/08 07:10 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia MB Guy
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woah, i never said he wasn't "liberal". i have said that i don't think much separates hillary and obama in the "liberalness" department. i have also said that looking at a voting record in a vaccuum leaves a lot of context out. 3rd, i want to know why "liberal" is so bad? it is to conservatives so don't state that; gimme a reason. heck, i hold a number of conservative views so i dont think conservative is bad. i just think each decision should be decided on its own merits.

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#930771 - 03/26/08 07:39 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Hated By Some
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Liberal = bad because

1. government cannot solve all problems
2. government scope should be limited and taxes should be at absolute minimal to accomplish that limited scope
3. the federal government should not trump every state right
4. international law and institutions should not override american law when they conflict

this is just a start, off the top of my head.

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#930774 - 03/26/08 07:45 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia straw
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Originally Posted By: straw
I thought they were both socialist/communists. Is there a degree to it?


You may disagree with the assessment, but why would you dispute that one's political idealogy is a matter of degree?

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#930831 - 03/26/08 08:35 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Jokerman
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Once you get that far to the left, are there any differences?

I was just trying to be cute, but I really don't see much of a difference between Hillary and Obama regarding their liberalism.

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#930933 - 03/26/08 09:44 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia straw
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When I think about Hillary, I think about angels - oh, sorry, wrong song - I think of a power-thirsty mainstream liberal. When I think about BO, I see a radical. It's not one thing, but his political record, the unwillingness to be straight about his positions, and his associations all concern me more than Hillary does. JMO.

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#931032 - 03/26/08 11:06 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Jokerman
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Obama's associations are a concern, but frankly I see him in the same vain as Clinton. Say anything to get elected, do something else once they're in office.

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#931098 - 03/27/08 12:25 AM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia straw
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Originally Posted By: straw
Liberal = bad because

1. government cannot solve all problems
2. government scope should be limited and taxes should be at absolute minimal to accomplish that limited scope
3. the federal government should not trump every state right
4. international law and institutions should not override american law when they conflict

this is just a start, off the top of my head.

fair enough. i think each thing needs to be viewed on it's own merits but, fair enough.

interestly, did you see that sec paulson suggested the very liberal plan of more regulation for financial players as a result of opening the fed to them?

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#931109 - 03/27/08 02:40 AM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Hated By Some
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I don't know how it's "liberal" to say that an entity that puts federal dollars at risk should be subject to federal regulation. You can say that a truer free market solution would do neither. But only a fool would remove moral hazard and not replace it with government oversight.

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#931150 - 03/27/08 12:02 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Jokerman
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no, the point is that any sort of regulation is bad/liberal. unfettered free markets are just as bad as command economy in many respects.

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#931237 - 03/27/08 01:09 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Hated By Some
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Don't confuse a conservative with a libertarian.
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#931245 - 03/27/08 01:21 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia MB Guy
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Originally Posted By: MB Guy
Don't confuse a conservative with a libertarian.


Though we do share alot of values and ideas.
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#931265 - 03/27/08 01:35 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Hated By Some
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no, the point is that any sort of regulation is bad/liberal. unfettered free markets are just as bad as command economy in many respects.

Whatever floats your boat to believe about conservatives, Ron. Go for it!

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#931268 - 03/27/08 01:39 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia MB Guy
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Originally Posted By: MB Guy
Don't confuse a conservative with a libertarian.

is this like the extremist thing? you can pick and choose which aspects are favorable depending on what you want? it seems to be that most people who tend toward the conservative talk about how "big government" is a bad thing.

listen, i think paulson is spot on. i'm just curious to hear the conservatives stay true to form but miore importantly, i want them to explain why this is a bad thing. and if it is not, then why certain regulatory policies for economic matter are also bad since they seem to treat regulation/economics like oil and water.

thanks. i'll listen to your comments off the air...

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#931274 - 03/27/08 01:40 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Hated By Some
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#931293 - 03/27/08 01:52 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Jokerman
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As stated above, BD is right that conservatives believe in limited government (have you seen many organizations ran well by the government?), similar to Libertarians, but realize, as J-man so aptly put it, that when federal dollars are at risk, there should be federal regulations to protect them.

Why do you not get this?
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#931474 - 03/27/08 03:38 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Hated By Some
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Originally Posted By: Ronzilla
no, the point is that any sort of regulation is bad/liberal. unfettered free markets are just as bad as command economy in many respects.


Yes, but once the government steps in, oversight is required. One can argue the merits of the government involvement in banking (commercial or investment), but once government funds are at stake, obviously the government needs to oversee the operations of the companies/industries they are backing.

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#931479 - 03/27/08 03:39 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Hated By Some
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Originally Posted By: MB Guy
Don't confuse a conservative with a libertarian.

is this like the extremist thing? you can pick and choose which aspects are favorable depending on what you want? it seems to be that most people who tend toward the conservative talk about how "big government" is a bad thing.

listen, i think paulson is spot on. i'm just curious to hear the conservatives stay true to form but miore importantly, i want them to explain why this is a bad thing. and if it is not, then why certain regulatory policies for economic matter are also bad since they seem to treat regulation/economics like oil and water.

thanks. i'll listen to your comments off the air...


Why start now?

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#931493 - 03/27/08 03:47 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia MB Guy
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that when federal dollars are at risk, there should be federal regulations to protect them.

oh boy...

sounds like a slippery slope lubricated with that stuff from nat lampoon's christmas vacation movie. i guess you have a very tight definition of what you mean by "at risk", correct?

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