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#931947 - 03/27/08 09:36 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Hated By Some
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You cannot understand that everything you are advocating is to try to address the last bubble and will do nothing to stop the next bubble. That is what I am trying to convey to you.

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#931950 - 03/27/08 09:37 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia straw
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for you to admit that you have no idea what you are talking about and are just full of hot air.

Then we can have an honest discussion and I would be more than happy to explain CMO's to you.

b******t straw! i know exactly what i am talking about. don't play this little game because you aren't followng along. i think you are both underestimating my knowledge of financial and economic issues and overestimating your knowledge of the same. stick to compliance.

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#931951 - 03/27/08 09:38 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Hated By Some
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I would tell you to stick to what you do, but since you don't actually do anything, what should you stick to?

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#931952 - 03/27/08 09:39 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Hated By Some
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Ron, how many millions in MBS/CMO purchases have you authorized?

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#931954 - 03/27/08 09:39 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia straw
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Originally Posted By: straw
You cannot understand that everything you are advocating is to try to address the last bubble and will do nothing to stop the next bubble. That is what I am trying to convey to you.

or would it shift the next "bubble" to another sector?

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#931959 - 03/27/08 09:40 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Jokerman
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Originally Posted By: Jokerman
Ron, how many millions in MBS/CMO purchases have you authorized?

why is this relevant?

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#931960 - 03/27/08 09:40 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Hated By Some
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So you want to create another bubble but just not in the housing market?

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#931962 - 03/27/08 09:42 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Hated By Some
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Originally Posted By: Jokerman
Ron, how many millions in MBS/CMO purchases have you authorized?

why is this relevant?


"i think you are both underestimating my knowledge of financial and economic issues and overestimating your knowledge of the same. stick to compliance."

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#931963 - 03/27/08 09:42 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Jokerman
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Originally Posted By: Jokerman
Ron, how many millions in MBS/CMO purchases have you authorized?


Oohh, oohh, can I answer?

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#931964 - 03/27/08 09:45 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia straw
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of course not. but unless you think that lenders and their risk-taking financial engineers won't go back to their old tricks after the pendulum swings the other way, i dont think its a bad idea to insulate the market from it happening again.

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#931965 - 03/27/08 09:48 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Hated By Some
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of course not. but unless you think that lenders and their risk-taking financial engineers won't go back to their old tricks after the pendulum swings the other way, i dont think its a bad idea to insulate the market from it happening again.

Does anyone wonder why the government is always fighting the last war? (I mean, anyone other than Ron, who admits he hasn't - so what?)

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#931966 - 03/27/08 09:48 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Hated By Some
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yes those evil risk taking lenders will go back to their old tricks and the only thing stopping them is you and your Robin Hood-esque band exposing them.

Does that make you feel better?

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#931967 - 03/27/08 09:50 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Jokerman
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Originally Posted By: Ronzilla
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Ron, how many millions in MBS/CMO purchases have you authorized?

why is this relevant?


"i think you are both underestimating my knowledge of financial and economic issues and overestimating your knowledge of the same. stick to compliance."

i think the answer would be, after doing my due dilligence on the underlying economic conditions of what i am buying, i (hopefully) would've seen that valuations weren't supportable in the long term. i would tell the fund to find a less "hot" market to try to make alpha in.

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#931968 - 03/27/08 09:50 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Hated By Some
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Originally Posted By: Ronzilla
risk-taking financial engineers



Is that a corporate or marketing title? My bank is a rather large player in this markets and I am not familiar with this --
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#931970 - 03/27/08 09:53 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Jokerman
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of course not. but unless you think that lenders and their risk-taking financial engineers won't go back to their old tricks after the pendulum swings the other way, i dont think its a bad idea to insulate the market from it happening again.

Does anyone wonder why the government is always fighting the last war? (I mean, anyone other than Ron, who admits he hasn't - so what?)


j, the battle that i would be fighting here is the battle of market psychology. a favorbale side-effect is that the likelihood of this type of bubble rocking the economy to this degree would be virtually non-existent.

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#931972 - 03/27/08 09:55 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Hated By Some
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Originally Posted By: Ronzilla
Originally Posted By: Jokerman
Originally Posted By: Ronzilla
Originally Posted By: Jokerman
Ron, how many millions in MBS/CMO purchases have you authorized?

why is this relevant?


"i think you are both underestimating my knowledge of financial and economic issues and overestimating your knowledge of the same. stick to compliance."

i think the answer would be, after doing my due dilligence on the underlying economic conditions of what i am buying, i (hopefully) would've seen that valuations weren't supportable in the long term. i would tell the fund to find a less "hot" market to try to make alpha in.


Yes you think "the answer would be" because you have never done it.

Stick to whatever it is you do.

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#931974 - 03/27/08 09:56 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Hated By Some
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Originally Posted By: Jokerman
Originally Posted By: Ronzilla
of course not. but unless you think that lenders and their risk-taking financial engineers won't go back to their old tricks after the pendulum swings the other way, i dont think its a bad idea to insulate the market from it happening again.

Does anyone wonder why the government is always fighting the last war? (I mean, anyone other than Ron, who admits he hasn't - so what?)



j, the battle that i would be fighting here is the battle of market psychology. a favorbale side-effect is that the likelihood of this type of bubble rocking the economy to this degree would be virtually non-existent.


The battle you would be fighting. You really do think you are Robin Hood don't you.

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#931975 - 03/27/08 09:56 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia straw
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Originally Posted By: straw
yes those evil risk taking lenders will go back to their old tricks and the only thing stopping them is you and your Robin Hood-esque band exposing them.

Does that make you feel better?


their old tricks without a housing bubble to profiteer off of? yes it does! would you like to be my little john?

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#931977 - 03/27/08 10:00 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia straw
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Yes you think "the answer would be" because you have never done it.

Stick to whatever it is you do.

ergo, the reason that i am in business school. perhaps the way that i am playing monday morning quarterback here (ie continually focusing on the bubble) would suggest that i have an idea what to look for. i said "hopefully" because i can't say with full confidence that i would not get caught up into thinking that the bubble had a lot more room to grow.

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#931984 - 03/27/08 10:03 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Pale Rider
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Originally Posted By: Ronzilla
risk-taking financial engineers



Is that a corporate or marketing title? My bank is a rather large player in this markets and I am not familiar with this --

if i have the institution correct, i think mr prince knows what i mean here.

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#931986 - 03/27/08 10:04 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Hated By Some
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ha, is that the now retired Mr. Prince?
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#931988 - 03/27/08 10:05 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Pale Rider
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i think he knows all too well.

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#932068 - 03/27/08 11:43 PM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Hated By Some
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Yes you think "the answer would be" because you have never done it.

Stick to whatever it is you do.

ergo, the reason that i am in business school. perhaps the way that i am playing monday morning quarterback here (ie continually focusing on the bubble) would suggest that i have an idea what to look for. i said "hopefully" because i can't say with full confidence that i would not get caught up into thinking that the bubble had a lot more room to grow.


You mean all the class time you spend on this site you are still learning something? Sure.

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#932099 - 03/28/08 01:17 AM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Hated By Some
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Originally Posted By: Ronzilla
perhaps the way that i am playing monday morning quarterback here (ie continually focusing on the bubble) would suggest that i have an idea what to look for.

I don't think it suggests that at all.

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#932100 - 03/28/08 01:18 AM Re: CBS Busts Hillary About Outright Lie on Bosnia Jokerman
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ok.

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