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#945479 - 04/18/08 02:38 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? Imagine
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You just dont get it, pakistan is allowing us to be there peacfully so we can hunt the man down, if we go to war with them
I don't think they are going to allow that anymore.
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#945480 - 04/18/08 02:39 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? kms
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and to add it is our fight with UBL not theirs
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#945481 - 04/18/08 02:41 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? kms
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I thought this thread was about TheIncredbileComplyGuy
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#945484 - 04/18/08 02:41 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? Imagine
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Originally Posted By: NeophytePolitico
And we have criminals advising the ACTUAL President. What's your point?

Really? Provide your evidence, not your far-left filtered partisan psychobable, evidence, evidence.
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#945488 - 04/18/08 02:44 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? kms
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Originally Posted By: kms
You just dont get it, pakistan is allowing us to be there peacfully so we can hunt the man down, if we go to war with them
I don't think they are going to allow that anymore.


No one is saying we're going to war with Pakistan.
Bush in 2006 said he would act to take out al Qaeda leaders in Pakistan without Pakistan's approval.
Obama has said the same thing.
And we've been launching attacks in Pakistan via drones, with indirect approval from Musharraf.

So how is Obama 2008 different than Bush 2006?

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#945491 - 04/18/08 02:46 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? Yossarian
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Were any of you aware that HRC wanted to declare war on Iran?


The truth is that Obama said that an attack on Israel "would be an act of aggression that I would consider unacceptable, and the United States would take appropriate action." while Clinton said that "an attack on Israel would incur massive retaliation from the United States".
I actually agree with this, but I would go further. I would say that an attack on Israel should be considered an attack on the United States.
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#945493 - 04/18/08 02:47 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? Imagine
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this is MORE imperialistic and far reaching than the Bush policies have been


Defending against an attack is not "imperialistic" in any reasonable definition of the word.

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#945494 - 04/18/08 02:47 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? Blade Scrapper
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That is not what Obama said and you know it.
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#945497 - 04/18/08 02:48 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? TheManofSteel
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Originally Posted By: TheChanginator
Originally Posted By: NeophytePolitico
And we have criminals advising the ACTUAL President. What's your point?

Really? Provide your evidence, not your far-left filtered partisan psychobable, evidence, evidence.


Oh gee. I don't know.
The US Attorney issue.
The political prosecution of the Governor of Alabama.
Warrantless wiretapping.
Scooter Libby (office of the VPOTUS, but you get the point).

But I guess these things aren't important, because the people responsible for these acts all wear flag pins.

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#945502 - 04/18/08 02:51 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? Imagine
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Originally Posted By: NeophytePolitico
Originally Posted By: TheChanginator
Originally Posted By: NeophytePolitico
And we have criminals advising the ACTUAL President. What's your point?

Really? Provide your evidence, not your far-left filtered partisan psychobable, evidence, evidence.


Oh gee. I don't know.
The US Attorney issue.
The political prosecution of the Governor of Alabama.
Warrantless wiretapping.
Scooter Libby (office of the VPOTUS, but you get the point).

But I guess these things aren't important, because the people responsible for these acts all wear flag pins.

Not only are they not important, but are pure far-left specualtion and nothing more, but keep providing the far-left psychobable, and keep believing it too, it actually helps the conservative cause that reasonable Americans spot this for what it is.
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#945505 - 04/18/08 02:52 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? kms
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That is not what Obama said and you know it.


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Obama said if elected in November 2008 he would be willing to attack inside Pakistan with or without approval from the Pakistani government, a move that would likely cause anxiety in the already troubled region.

"If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will," Obama said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0132206420070801

and as recent as March of this year,
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The choice is not between Musharraf and Islamic extremists. As the recent legislative elections showed, there is a moderate majority of Pakistanis, and they are the people we need on our side to win the war against al Qaeda. That is why we should dramatically increase our support for the Pakistani people – for education, economic development, and democratic institutions. That child in Pakistan must know that we want a better life for him, that America is on his side, and that his interest in opportunity is our interest as well. That’s the promise that America must stand for.

http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/obama_on_pakistan.php

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#945507 - 04/18/08 02:54 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? TheManofSteel
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I'm sorry. Scooter Libby was indeed convicted.
And Alberto Gonzalez was forced to resign.

Me thinks those actions show that there was more this than "far-left speculation".

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#945511 - 04/18/08 02:55 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? Imagine
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"If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will," Obama said."


This is the equivelant of decalring war on pakistan, it would really suck too because they have nukes
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#945514 - 04/18/08 02:56 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? Imagine
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Originally Posted By: NeophytePolitico
I'm sorry. Scooter Libby was indeed convicted.
And Alberto Gonzalez was forced to resign.

Me thinks those actions show that there was more this than "far-left speculation".

Yes, you are correct on that, there was more than far-left specualtion. There was a political witchhunt by the far-left.
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#945522 - 04/18/08 02:59 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? kms
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"If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will," Obama said."


This is the equivelant of decalring war on pakistan, it would really suck too because they have nukes


Explain to me then, what the 1/29/08 CIA attack that killed Abu Laith al-Libi was? Because by your definition, since US officials claim that this was "an unusual degree of autonomy by the CIA inside Pakistan", we've declared war already.

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#945531 - 04/18/08 03:04 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? Imagine
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Sorry, I must have missed the declaration of war against pakistan.
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#945533 - 04/18/08 03:05 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? kms
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sorry, i must have missed the declaration of war against iraq and pakistan.

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#945545 - 04/18/08 03:10 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? Hated By Some
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#945549 - 04/18/08 03:11 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? kms
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Sorry, I must have missed the declaration of war against pakistan.


You're so blinded.
You've said that Obama's comment of "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will," is "the equivelant of decalring war on pakistan".

Since the CIA did act against high value targets in 1/29/2008...we've already declared war...base on your own equivelaqncy tests.

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#945553 - 04/18/08 03:14 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? Imagine
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But Musharraf approved of thos actions, there are many he will not and if we cross these lines we will be declaring war with Pakistan.I am thinking you are the one that doesn't get it.
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#945554 - 04/18/08 03:14 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? kms
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And here you go Kori, since you seem to be lacking in Constitutional knowledge.

"The Congress shall have Power...To declare War"
http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html

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#945556 - 04/18/08 03:14 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? kms
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And you calling me vblind is like the pot calling the kettle black
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#945557 - 04/18/08 03:15 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? kms
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And Obama hasn't said he wouldn't seek Musharraf's approval.
He said that if Pakistan doesn't act, we will.
Which AGAIN is what President Bush, your hero because he came and saw you, said in 2006.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/20/obamas-pakistan-position-endorsed-by-bush-in-06/

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#945562 - 04/18/08 03:19 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? Imagine
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Bush is not my hero, but my president!


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CEFDA1F30F936A25751C1A966958260

Ecerpt-"The President as Commander in Chief is authorized to conduct war. Aggressive Presidents have managed to wage executive wars, often because Congress has been unwilling to assert its power. But those failures do not change the Constitution"
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#945567 - 04/18/08 03:21 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? kms
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Originally Posted By: kms
Bush is not my hero, but my president!


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CEFDA1F30F936A25751C1A966958260

Ecerpt-"The President as Commander in Chief is authorized to conduct war. Aggressive Presidents have managed to wage executive wars, often because Congress has been unwilling to assert its power. But those failures do not change the Constitution"


Why are you wasting your time with willful ignorance Kori? You are a former intelligence officer arguing a subject you actually lived with someone who has zero background on the subject. Let it go, really.
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