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#946878 - 04/21/08 08:10 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? straw
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Straw, so would POTUS be held accountable under the uniformed code? As they are a civilian?

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#946886 - 04/21/08 08:18 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? Imagine
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No, POTUS not accountable under uniformed code of military justice.

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#946888 - 04/21/08 08:18 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? straw
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Again, I'm not trying to debunk or cause trouble. I'm just curious as to whether the code of conduct transfers over to the civilian class.

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#946909 - 04/21/08 08:42 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? Imagine
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not based on the definitions I scanned. But I just took a quick look.

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#946925 - 04/21/08 08:52 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? Yossarian
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Originally Posted By: Yossarian
straw: No, as I said before by its language it does apply to what Lewinsky did. But it's a definition that was specifically approved as defining the term for purposes of the deposition. It doesn't matter what the conventional definition might be.


Yoss, Judge Webber's order refutes both of your claims.

She thought it was clear that the definition of "sexual relations" applied to the conduct in question - the conduct of both Clinton and Lewinski: "[ Clinton's ] statements regarding whether he had ever engaged in sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky likewise were intentionally false, notwithstanding tortured definitions and interpretations of the term 'sexual relations'." In a footnote, she stated "It appears the President is asserting that Ms. Lewinsky could be having sex with him while, at the same time, he was not having sex with her."

Clearly the judge thought that was a bogus argument.

Judge Webber also addressed the issue of materiality: "contrary to numerous assertions, this Court did not rule that evidence of the Lewinsky matter was irrelevant or immaterial to the issues in the plaintiff's case. Indeed, the Court specifically acknowledged that such evidence might have been relevant to plaintiff's case . . . this Court made the decision to disallow discovery as to Ms. Lewinsky and to exclude evidence concerning her from trial not because the Court considered such evidence to be irrelevant or immaterial, but because its admission would frustrate the timely resolution of this case and cause undue expense and delay . . ."

Sounds to me like the judge considered the issue to be material.
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#946929 - 04/21/08 08:56 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? Yossarian
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Originally Posted By: Yossarian
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man-crush

LOL You sure get irritated when you're proven wrong.

When it happens, we'll test that theory. As it is, thanks for conceding the point.

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#947004 - 04/21/08 11:04 PM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? Jokerman
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to a soldier/sailor/airmen., even though it may not be the law, the CIC should be held accountable to the same standards they are.
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#947045 - 04/22/08 01:54 AM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? kms
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under the Lone Star
is this thread still here?
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#947054 - 04/22/08 02:45 AM Re: Is What He Said Wrong? Honestly? Pale Rider
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Ok, PR and I concur that this thread has pushed the envelope of BOL propriety to it's limits. In honor of the final big primary tomorrow, I'm locking this down so we can move on.

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