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#955507 - 05/07/08 03:10 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? Imagine
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#955510 - 05/07/08 03:13 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? kms
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#955513 - 05/07/08 03:16 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? kms
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and unfeeling


But, I thought you were also a twit???


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#955516 - 05/07/08 03:17 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? Bimmer
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#955519 - 05/07/08 03:22 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? Blade Scrapper
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#955522 - 05/07/08 03:27 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? Imagine
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Originally Posted By: Imagine
She wins 2 more "base" states for her (white, blue collar) and he wins his and locks up the pledged delegate win (Oregon). They end it right after 5/20, and the talks of VPOTUS HRC begin.



So, WV and KY are some more of those bitter rural uneducated types eh? Hanging on to their guns, church and bigoted ways. The superdelegates need to override these poor smucks.
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#955523 - 05/07/08 03:29 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? *DELETED* Pale Rider
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#955526 - 05/07/08 03:32 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? Imagine
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Would HRC want to be VP? She's already done it once. I get the impression that she wants to be the alpha male.
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#955592 - 05/07/08 05:18 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? kms
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oh all of the above, just not a very good person in general. Probably why I am single...What do you think Match.com or eHarmony?


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#955601 - 05/07/08 05:30 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? Peepers
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I seriously doubt that either Sen. Clinton or Sen. Obama would be interested in the VP spot.

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#955605 - 05/07/08 05:35 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? Yossarian
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people in the two very large states of Michigan and Florida should be allowed to exercise their rights to vote!!!!!!

but the fix is in for Obama!!!

Hillary could pull this out if we had voting from these two states

this is the biggest voter fraud since the voting rights act of 1965!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#955610 - 05/07/08 05:38 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? Pale Rider
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Originally Posted By: Pale Rider
people in the two very large states of Michigan and Florida should be allowed to exercise their rights to vote!!!!!!


Where are all the Lib's from the 2000 election screaming and throwing a fit about the voters being disenfranchised???
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#955613 - 05/07/08 05:43 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? Bimmer
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Have you confused a party primary with a general election?

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#955614 - 05/07/08 05:44 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? Yossarian
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I seriously doubt that either Sen. Clinton or Sen. Obama would be interested in the VP spot.


I agree. Although it would have its strategic benefits, I doubt it too.
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#955617 - 05/07/08 05:47 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? Hrothgar Geiger
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Originally Posted By: AML-Barbarian
Have you confused a party primary with a general election?


There is no confusion. We all know one was a primary and one was a general party election. But lets look at what happened.

Voters claimed they were misrepresented in 2000, and some votes were not counted because of rules that called into question how someone voted. Democrats cried that voters were being muted. In 2008 the Democratic party did not count the votes from Michigan or Florida because of failing to meet party rules.

In one case, you have a debate whether a voice is actually heard. For good reason. Muting voters does us no good.

But then the same people who cried about Florida go ahead and mute those voters for other reasons in another election. Seems very hypocritical to me.
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#955624 - 05/07/08 05:54 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? Sound Tactic
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let all the votes count!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

why don't the demos want to pay for a do - over in these two states so that their citizens may vote?
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#955631 - 05/07/08 06:01 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? Pale Rider
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Did anyone see Boston Legal last week? Shirley Schmidt had Alan sue the DNC because her 22 year old nephew was a convention delegate and refused to vote the way that his consituancy voted. The ruling was that the DNC is a private org and can allow whatever they want.
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#955634 - 05/07/08 06:05 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? Snow Bunny
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#955636 - 05/07/08 06:05 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? Pale Rider
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Originally Posted By: Pale Rider
let all the votes count!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Please reconcile this sentiment with
a)winner-take-all delegate assignment
b)penalties stripping half the delegates from Wyoming, South Carolina, New Hampshire, Michigan, Florida

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#955640 - 05/07/08 06:09 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? Sound Tactic
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We all know one was a primary and one was a general party election.


Well then you should know that requirements for elections are set by law and the constitution and party nominations are set by party rules. Many states have no primary voting at all, just caucuses. That would not be allowed for an election, but is perfectly acceptable for party nominations. Some primaries are limited to registered party members. Is that unfair?????? One partularly strange state allowed voting during the day, and then cancelled out the results with a caucus that same night.

The fact is that you have a legal right to cast a ballot in an election, but not in a party nominating process. You are comparing apples and oranges.

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#955641 - 05/07/08 06:10 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? Hrothgar Geiger
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Originally Posted By: AML-Barbarian
Originally Posted By: Pale Rider
let all the votes count!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Please reconcile this sentiment with
a)winner-take-all delegate assignment
b)penalties stripping half the delegates from Wyoming, South Carolina, New Hampshire, Michigan, Florida


Yes, to take 1/2 of someones delegates away is not the same as taking all of their delegates away. Either way, the Republican party has already decided their winner, and without these states it would not have changed. So, reconcile your sentiment with....

when it is convenient the Democratic party supports fully muting its own citizens.
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#955642 - 05/07/08 06:11 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? Yossarian
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Originally Posted By: Yossarian
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We all know one was a primary and one was a general party election.


Well then you should know that requirements for elections are set by law and the constitution and party nominations are set by party rules. Many states have no primary voting at all, just caucuses. That would not be allowed for an election, but is perfectly acceptable for party nominations. Some primaries are limited to registered party members. Is that unfair?????? One partularly strange state allowed voting during the day, and then cancelled out the results with a caucus that same night.

The fact is that you have a legal right to cast a ballot in an election, but not in a party nominating process. You are comparing apples and oranges.


OK you think its apples to oranges but I think they are not listening to voters. Do you agree, that the voters in Michigan and Florida are not being heard by their party?
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#955644 - 05/07/08 06:14 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? Yossarian
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Originally Posted By: Yossarian
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We all know one was a primary and one was a general party election.


Well then you should know that requirements for elections are set by law and the constitution and party nominations are set by party rules. Many states have no primary voting at all, just caucuses. That would not be allowed for an election, but is perfectly acceptable for party nominations. Some primaries are limited to registered party members. Is that unfair?????? One partularly strange state allowed voting during the day, and then cancelled out the results with a caucus that same night.

The fact is that you have a legal right to cast a ballot in an election, but not in a party nominating process. You are comparing apples and oranges.
Interesting sentiment for such a Clintonista.
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#955648 - 05/07/08 06:18 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? Sound Tactic
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Actually I do believe that the delegates from Florida and Michigan should be allowed to be selected and seated at the convention.

I just think that the comparison with Florida in 2000 is absurd.

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#955651 - 05/07/08 06:20 PM Re: do the dems actually get it? Yossarian
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I actually agree, but for different reasons.
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