http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/06/religious-right-figure-ge_n_105667.html

We've got ourselves are devout bunch of Evangelicals here, so what do you think?
Can Obama tap into the "religious right"?
He's, without a doubt, the more publically religious of the two.

0% chance of the evangelicals I know

where does he worship now?

All jokes aside, that is a good question.

wonder where he worships in D.C.?

Don, why do you think Evangelicals will not vote for Obama?

Hmmm, maybe because they are fed up with abortoin on demand, the redefining of marriage by courts sympathetic to Obama's views, their angst at his mischaracterization of them as "hanging onto guns and religion." These are just for starters.

The only evangelicals Obama will pull in are going to be totally uniformed voters. That being said, the MOST he's going to be able to pull in is about 3%.

1. His pastor has turned off a lot of Christians.
2. There are too many questions about his faith.
3. Is he a muslim or isn't he?
4. People hang on to religion.... said with a negative sound.
5. He's too liberal in his beliefs. Evangelicals want change, but in the opposite direction of Obama.

No Christians I know are voting for him except for diehard Liberals.

GL:
First and foremost, do you deny that there are other issues that Evangelicals look at besides abortion and gay marriage?

BF:
#1. Who has questions of his faith?
#2. Do you buy into the "Obama is a Muslim" smear?
#3. As with GL, are there no "liberal" Evangelicals?

Might I suggest you both visit this site: http://faith.barackobama.com/page/content/faithhome

Don't visit that link. It's spin doctoring at its best. Don't you get it? We are fed spoon for spoon what they want you to know and believe.

Frank - why do you think they will? His current choices in following his faith have led him to the mess he is in, having to publicly denounce his pastor of "20 plus years" and the Catholic Church asking another of his religious leaders to step down. I'm certain that he is now doing polls to determine which pastor is best for his image and his campaign, and it is not a faith-based decision he will make, but one on what will garner him the most support.

I think there are alot of issues Neo, but many of those issues are on a same general spectrum as this. Abortion and the general right to life, including protecting ones life, ones loved ones and ones property through use of righteous force via the Second Amendment. How about general family issues and the very understanding of what a family connotates? How about the right to chhose one's own physician rather than have it handpicked for you by a massive bureaucracy? Many of these issues mean alot to those evangelical voters (of which I do not fall into the category although I agree with them on certain issues).

SO no, it is not simply 2 issues, thise 2 issues reflect alot of other positions.

Who is "they"?
Would you say the same about this site?
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/95b18512-d5b6-456e-90a2-12028d71df58.htm

Ok, you're mixing political fundamentalism and being a religious Evangelical.
I do not deny that abortion and marriage issues are very important to Evangelical voters, but there is more to the "right to life" issue than abortion and guns (which I find intriguing that you'd bring up gun ownership in a debate on religious and faith issues and Evangelical votes). Perhaps those concerned with the "right to life" are concerned about the nature of poverty in this country? Perhaps they are concerned with the way we are treating our planet?

You need to branch out from the abortion and gay marriage issue.

#1. Who has questions of his faith?

Anyone who's listened to the kinds of things his pastor has said, listened to him say negative things about other people "clinging to religion", or who do any research about his heritage.


#2. Do you buy into the "Obama is a Muslim" smear?

Do I buy into it? Nope. From what I've seen, he's anti-religion, PERIOD. I don't buy he has any real faith at all.

#3. As with GL, are there no "liberal" Evangelicals?

Not many. The problem is, while there are liberal Evangelicals, there aren't many who will accept his level of liberalism.

The problem is, the number one concern amongst the Evangelic voting block is just that, right to life, and right to faith. Obama has belittled the right to faith, and stands for abortion rights.

Is protecting our planet important to Evangelicals? Sure, but is it more important than the topic of abortion? Not even close.

What about the nature of poverty? Yes, it's important, but not more important than the topic of abortion, and frankly, most true Christians will tell you that giving to the government to give to the poor is a losing proposition. Better to give directly to the poor.

So true BF. So much more good is done for the needy not by the government, but by concerned citizens who take initiative.

And that includes classic liberals who have done much good as private citizens without the help of the government, i.e. Jimmy Carter and his Habitat for Humanity, Clinton's Foundation etc.

All without the U.S. Government, which has been and always will be an inefficient and ineffective source of charitable initiatives no matter what party holds office.

Imagine - yes. Don't forget he and Kennedy tried to get an amnesty bill passed in the past.

and yet only 29% of Hispanic voters support McCain

Thats because the other 71% are here illeagally and can't vote

Good. I'm hispanic. I don't want ANY kind of amnesty. If it were up to me I'd spend the money to deport those here illegally, regardless of their country of origin. Can you believe they feed you ( pay attention Image ) nonsense like "they are hard workers" and "family oriented" instead of the REAL immediate issue that they are BREAKING THE LAW of the land by being here.

exactly...that is why my town now has half of its popluation...

Well, I am good and hardworking. Is it ok for me to break certain laws that will benefit me so I can earn a better living than I do now?

could you look yourself in the mirror the next day and be comfortable with yourself?

With my flintstone mug, probably not.