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#975566 - 06/16/08 01:39 PM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... Sinatra Fan
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What I object to is the forum in which Obama spoke on this subject. But it's not just him. Churches who allow political candidates to speak from their pulpits should have their tax-exempt status questioned. And that applies whether the candidate is conservative, liberal, or middle-of-the-road.

i'm with you here.

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#975570 - 06/16/08 01:42 PM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... B_F
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Are you denying that children of all races need their fathers just as much? Or stating that absent fathers are unique to black families?

i don't deny it and i'm sure that frank doesn't either. it was delivered to a black audience though.

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#975571 - 06/16/08 01:42 PM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... B_F
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Originally Posted By: Bengalsfan
However, he singled out black fathers, rather than ALL fathers.


And you tell me that I'm the one who doesn't read and/or do my research.

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"I say this knowing that I have been an imperfect father -- knowing that I have made mistakes and will continue to make more; wishing that I could be home for my girls and my wife more than I am right now," said Obama, as his daughters Sasha and Malia sat with his wife, Michelle Obama. "I say this, knowing all of these things, because even as we are imperfect, even as we face difficult circumstances, there are still certain lessons we must strive to live and learn as fathers -- whether we are black or white; rich or poor; from the South Side or the wealthiest suburb."
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/06/15/obama_delivers_fathers_day_ser.html?hpid=topnews

Your prejudice against Obama is really beginning to show my friend.

You have every right to base you vote against him on his issue stances. But you really are grasping for straws with these constant "character" flaws you try and point out.
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#975572 - 06/16/08 01:43 PM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... B_F
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Originally Posted By: Bengalsfan
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Close, but no cigar. However, I will say this. Obama once again ignores white fathers, asian fathers, and hispanic fathers who do the same things that black fathers do. He is engineering a racial divide yet again.


BF, I get that you're not an Obama fan, but this is reaching.


Are you denying that children of all races need their fathers just as much? Or stating that absent fathers are unique to black families?



No I'm not, but every study I've ever seen indicates that the problem is much more pervasive in the African-American community. Furthermore, these studies also conclude that absentee black fathers also lead to poorer families who must rely on government programs. To put it in Cincy terms, it's the difference between living in Blue Ash or Over-the-Rhine.

Now, does the same problem exists to some degree in the white community? Sure. But you shouldn't feel slighted just because Obama was speaking to one segment of society.

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#975577 - 06/16/08 01:49 PM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... Imagine
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Originally Posted By: Imagine
Originally Posted By: Bengalsfan
However, he singled out black fathers, rather than ALL fathers.


And you tell me that I'm the one who doesn't read and/or do my research.

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"I say this knowing that I have been an imperfect father -- knowing that I have made mistakes and will continue to make more; wishing that I could be home for my girls and my wife more than I am right now," said Obama, as his daughters Sasha and Malia sat with his wife, Michelle Obama. "I say this, knowing all of these things, because even as we are imperfect, even as we face difficult circumstances, there are still certain lessons we must strive to live and learn as fathers -- whether we are black or white; rich or poor; from the South Side or the wealthiest suburb."
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/06/15/obama_delivers_fathers_day_ser.html?hpid=topnews

Your prejudice against Obama is really beginning to show my friend.

You have every right to base you vote against him on his issue stances. But you really are grasping for straws with these constant "character" flaws you try and point out.


I had not seen the full quote. I withdraw my objection.

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#975613 - 06/16/08 02:22 PM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... B_F
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So, does this mean the the dead equine will stop getting pummeled, now???
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#975625 - 06/16/08 02:27 PM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... Imagine
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whether we are black or white;


oh, great!!! Where are the micro-nesians? The asian? The indian? The hispanic or the alutes? His class divisive rhetoric is not helping. Further proof that P-E Obama just isn't ready for prime time...

(this is just sarcasm, Frank, don't go balistic)
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#975630 - 06/16/08 02:30 PM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... HappyGilmore
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#975639 - 06/16/08 02:34 PM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... DeeQ
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...can I get in on the pummeling?...........
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#975641 - 06/16/08 02:37 PM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... DeeQ
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Originally Posted By: Devil Queen
So, does this mean the the dead equine will stop getting pummeled, now???


On this particular speech, yes.

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#975865 - 06/16/08 05:57 PM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... Imagine
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Originally Posted By: Imagine
Originally Posted By: Happy Gilmore
there is a vast right-wing conspiracy to moderate all of your posts...it is in the MOD tenents that they all must sign and state out loud before becoming a MOD...


Conspiracy? No.
Just one ticked off Mod who I've butted heads with in here.


I agree with Imagine... I think that a liberal MOD got ticked off with the conservation responses on the "Clinstone Open to VP POS" posting from last week, because my last response was the final response.. click, gone!!!! Wonder WHY????
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#975866 - 06/16/08 05:59 PM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... Pickles
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whinny, whinny, w i n n y...
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#975870 - 06/16/08 06:01 PM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... DeeQ
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I don't know about conservative vs. liberal, but I don't mess with the lady mods, just sayin'..................
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#975882 - 06/16/08 06:09 PM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... DeeQ
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Originally Posted By: Devil Queen
whinny, whinny, w i n n y...


Like in "Win ny the Poo" ?? I thought you'd be on my side! Oh well.... what's the sense of chatting, if you can't chat without be censored!!!
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#975890 - 06/16/08 06:14 PM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... Pickles
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Originally Posted By: Pickles
Originally Posted By: Imagine
Originally Posted By: Happy Gilmore
there is a vast right-wing conspiracy to moderate all of your posts...it is in the MOD tenents that they all must sign and state out loud before becoming a MOD...


Conspiracy? No.
Just one ticked off Mod who I've butted heads with in here.


I agree with Imagine... I think that a liberal MOD got ticked off with the conservation responses on the "Clinstone Open to VP POS" posting from last week, because my last response was the final response.. click, gone!!!! Wonder WHY????


that's assine if it's true.

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#975893 - 06/16/08 06:16 PM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... pjs
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Mr Obama did have some criticism for absentee fathers, but his solutions mentioned were all along the lines of we need more money at the federal level - pure statism
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#975916 - 06/16/08 06:28 PM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... pjs
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Originally Posted By: pjs
Originally Posted By: Pickles
Originally Posted By: Imagine
Originally Posted By: Happy Gilmore
there is a vast right-wing conspiracy to moderate all of your posts...it is in the MOD tenents that they all must sign and state out loud before becoming a MOD...


Conspiracy? No.
Just one ticked off Mod who I've butted heads with in here.


I agree with Imagine... I think that a liberal MOD got ticked off with the conservation responses on the "Clinstone Open to VP POS" posting from last week, because my last response was the final response.. click, gone!!!! Wonder WHY????


that's assine if it's true.


It's gotta be true.. where else would the posts go????
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#975927 - 06/16/08 06:34 PM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... Pickles
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now I personally whacked a dozen threads, not posts but threads, last week myself

so you can't assume the lady mods, not even those left leaning lady mods, did the deed, sometimes they get a bum rap (but you didn't hear that from me...........)
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#975994 - 06/16/08 07:05 PM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... Pickles
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Originally Posted By: Pickles
Originally Posted By: pjs
Originally Posted By: Pickles
Originally Posted By: Imagine
Originally Posted By: Happy Gilmore
there is a vast right-wing conspiracy to moderate all of your posts...it is in the MOD tenents that they all must sign and state out loud before becoming a MOD...


Conspiracy? No.
Just one ticked off Mod who I've butted heads with in here.


I agree with Imagine... I think that a liberal MOD got ticked off with the conservation responses on the "Clinstone Open to VP POS" posting from last week, because my last response was the final response.. click, gone!!!! Wonder WHY????


that's assine if it's true.


It's gotta be true.. where else would the posts go????


Then assine it is! How dumb too.

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#976009 - 06/16/08 07:17 PM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... pjs
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Then assine it is! How dumb too. [/quote]

Now don't be getting personal. Only my best friends can call me dumb & assine!!!!
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#976038 - 06/16/08 08:00 PM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... Pickles
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I'm not calling YOU assine and dumb. I'm calling whoever deleted the thread assine and dumb if they did it because they don't agree with the thread.

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#976107 - 06/16/08 08:50 PM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... pjs
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I'm not calling YOU assine and dumb. I'm calling whoever deleted the thread assine and dumb if they did it because they don't agree with the thread.


what other reason do you need for deleting a thread? because you agreed with it? now, that would be assinine....
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#976149 - 06/16/08 09:50 PM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... Imagine
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Originally Posted By: Imagine
Originally Posted By: Bengalsfan
However, he singled out black fathers, rather than ALL fathers.


And you tell me that I'm the one who doesn't read and/or do my research.

Quote:
"I say this knowing that I have been an imperfect father -- knowing that I have made mistakes and will continue to make more; wishing that I could be home for my girls and my wife more than I am right now," said Obama, as his daughters Sasha and Malia sat with his wife, Michelle Obama. "I say this, knowing all of these things, because even as we are imperfect, even as we face difficult circumstances, there are still certain lessons we must strive to live and learn as fathers -- whether we are black or white; rich or poor; from the South Side or the wealthiest suburb."
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/06/15/obama_delivers_fathers_day_ser.html?hpid=topnews

Your prejudice against Obama is really beginning to show my friend.

You have every right to base you vote against him on his issue stances. But you really are grasping for straws with these constant "character" flaws you try and point out.


Are you prejudiced against McCain?

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#976178 - 06/16/08 10:38 PM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... straw
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How do you get a tax break under the Obama administration? Pay your child support, of course!

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#976223 - 06/17/08 03:11 AM Re: Obama slams absentee fathers... Jokerman
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