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#57425 - 01/28/03 09:11 PM
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The first thing that came to mind was the practice that some couples have of keeping their checking accounts separate. Could this be your customer's 'part of the money' and his wife pays the normal living expenses out of the account at the other bank? Just a thought...
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#57426 - 01/28/03 09:16 PM
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What type of criminal activity do you suspect?
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#57429 - 01/28/03 09:42 PM
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I'm with Dawn. This sounds like a special purpose account to simplify the customer's accounting. I wouldn't worry too much unless the amounts spiral upward, or there's any indication of terrorism. Flag this customer's accounts and keep an eye on the total relationship.
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#57431 - 01/29/03 03:56 AM
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Jack - I hate to say this, but the activity sounds like my employee account! My husband and I have direct deposits to an account with another bank, but I like to have money in my employee account so I can get money from the ATM and use the Debit Card. I don't want a Debit Card on the account where my paycheck goes!
So my only deposits are checks from my other account, and my activity is ATM, ACH, and POS. (Oh yeah, since I control how much money is at risk, that's the account I use for PayPal. I really, really dislike PayPal, but I LOVE eBay!)
Also, if you have an ATM network coverage that is different than the one of the bank where the deposits come from, it may be your customer's way of avoiding those nasty double surcharges (assuming the account doesn't have a monthly maintenance fee or he keeps a minimum balance.)
Just keep an eye out for foreign wires, and ATM transactions that take place outside the country.
(Good golly - is my employee account going to be considered higher risk under USA PATRIOT/AML???)
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#57435 - 01/29/03 05:03 PM
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Richard, you mentioned the words "criminal activity". Didn't they remove the word criminal from the old CRF and rename it the SAR, so that criminal activity doesn't have to exist for a SAR filing to take place, just "suspicious" activity? The problem is defining suspicious activity. But with the increased scrutiny from the regulators, and the safe harbor provision, I always lean on the side of filing.
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#57436 - 01/29/03 06:42 PM
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Read the SAR's "When to Make a Report" instructions #1.a. - 1.d. and tell me where it says you simply need to have "suspicious activity."
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#57437 - 01/29/03 08:36 PM
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Not the same poster that you asked this question of Richard, but your reply made me curious. What about 1(d)iii. that mentions neither criminal nor suspicious activity, but merely that the transaction "has no business or apparent lawful activity or is not the sort in which the particular customer would normally be expected to engage." That to me sounds broader than either of the other two (criminal or suspicious) standards being discussed. I don't mean to jump into a debate, just curious about you take on this provision. It doesn't really seem to me to be limited in any significant way. Thoughts?
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#57438 - 01/29/03 08:51 PM
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I agree with the separate account theory, I have two checking accounts, one for regular stuff and one for mortgages and a savings for rental income at one bank. I frequently transfer between these accounts and sometimes Online bank some checks (of even denominations) to my account at a different bank. Maybe they could inquire as to what he does for a living.
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#57439 - 01/29/03 09:55 PM
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Instruction 1(d)(iii) is a subheading under the heading "Transactions aggregating $5,000 or more that involve potential money laundering or violations of the Bank Secrecy Act." Since both money laundering and BSA violations are criminal offenses, the subheading can only be read as applicable to unusual transactions that are suspected to be the crime of money laundering. If you can't point to something about the transactions that is characteristic of ML, then you shouldn't do a SAR.
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#57442 - 01/30/03 03:56 PM
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I posted the question earlier to you. My problem with your reasoning is that that heading is only included in the SAR filing instructions. I understand that those are issued by FINCEN, but they've still got to live by the statute and/or reg. The reg has no such heading that I can locate. Instead, 103.18(a)(2)(iii) merely states the "no business or apparent lawful purpose..." language with no apparent limitations or modifications. I understood the heading of the money laundering section of the instructions to mean only that these are the things that might be indicative of money laundering or other violations of the Bank Secrecy Act. In any event, though, I don't think the instructions can be read in a way that limits the scope of the reg, which is the pronouncement that has the actual effect of law, absent some permission in the reg to do so. If I'm on the wrong track here, I would definitely appreciate a pointer back to the right path. I would love to see the reach of this reg cut back from purely libertarian reasons, but it looks like it reaches beyond violations to things that merely "smell funny". BTW, we have been told by our regulators that we shouldn't have to be in the business of detecting violations. Instead, our guidance was that if transaction didn't pass the smell test, report them and let law enforcement make that call. I don't like it, but that's what we were given.
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#57443 - 01/30/03 04:15 PM
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This is another fine example of FinCEN's poor draftsmanship. There's a contradiction within Section 103.18. Section 18(a)(1) clearly indicates that you should submit "... a report of any suspicious transaction relevant to a possible violation of law or regulation." Notice that this, like the SAR instructions, requires at least the suspicion of some type of violation of law. Meanwhile, Section 103.18(a)(2) appears to be broader in coverage.
Given the history of information overload and the purpose of the SAR, I still maintain that you must suspect something in particular before filing a SAR. With ML, kiting, account fraud, tax evasion, terrorism, and countless other possibilities to choose from, it shouldn't take too long to come up with a theory about what's going on. "Unusual" isn't going to be valuable to law enforcement officers and no one's ever been convicted of "unusual conduct."
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#57444 - 01/30/03 04:25 PM
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Good enough. Your reasoning makes sense to me. Thanks for your responses. We have a very cautious (file-it-all) BSA officer. Sometimes I need good arguments to pitch to him to pull back from the edge. Your replies have given me just that. That's why you're the expert!
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#57445 - 01/31/03 02:07 AM
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I think Bonnie and I are working off the same account (Yup I'm an ebay freak too). I receive both devits and credits !ach) from paypal. I've received wires from my ex husband in that account in larger dollar amounts. I also pay my credit card often because I use it for miles and don't want the balance to accrue interest. It's easy bookkeeping for me.
I dont' think this account sounds suspicious, and as the owner of a similar account, if asked about it, I'd probably change banks. I know I know I know, BSA bs and all, but without more distinct issues (for instance is the cashiers check/wire issue HUGE, daily, weekly?) I think I'd leave it alone until you have some more concrete issues.
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#57447 - 01/31/03 03:03 PM
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Hey Dawnie, I'd really like to receive large wire transfers from my ex-husband, how can I make that happen?
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