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#169633 - 03/15/04 11:28 PM
Spain - Terrorists impact on their election
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The recent election in Spain shows that a terrorist attack can have substantial impact on the election result. Do you feel that terrorists will hit us before presidential election this November in order to change the election results?
I know it may sound like conspiracy theory but similar sentiments are being expressed in the news media for UK - where bombings before next years elections may be used to change election results - just an opinion
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#169634 - 03/16/04 01:35 PM
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Well, there is at least anecdotal evidence that it works. Continental Europe may be experiencing the 1930's all over again. The UK may be only a year behind. Appeasement to terror will lead to further aggression. The UN does not have a good track record in fighting terrorism. Isn't it great when the socialist ruler of Spain says he is coming to America to campaign for Mr. Kerry. Now there is an endorsement !
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#169635 - 03/16/04 01:40 PM
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They may try it here, but I have a feeling that if they do the doves may turns to hawks rather than the other way around. It may make us less likely to vote for the socialist dove, Kerry.
We are not Spain. We are not France. We are not Germany. We are not the UK. What works there will not work here.
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#169636 - 03/16/04 02:10 PM
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All Spain has managed to do is put their citizens in danager. Every time the Spanish Government does something the terrorists don't like, they know all they have to do is kill a few innocent people and they will cave!!!
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#169638 - 03/16/04 02:14 PM
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I heard the same view on the news this morning. It is scary to think that it may happen. I hope and pray it does not.
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#169639 - 03/16/04 03:50 PM
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They may try it here, but I have a feeling that if they do the doves may turns to hawks .... We are not the UK. What works there will not work here.
I resent that!  The UK also has a long history of standing up to aggression - we were fighting Germany a year before America got involved in WWI, and two years before America got involved in WWII, and on both occasions the UK entered the war to defend other countries that were not strong enough to defend themselves.
Having said that the situation in the UK is more complicated, ... by the fact that Tony Blah's party is the Democrat/ Socialist party and neither his own party's MPs (representatives) nor the rank and file members of the party ever had much appetite to backing him to take the UK into Iraq with the USA.
It is a mystery to me why he got so buddy-buddy with George W Bush, but I have a Machiavelian theory that the British Conservative (Republican) party's MPs voted to take Britain into Iraq knowing that it would make Mr Blah unpopular with his own party and lead to him being voted out of power (in favor of the Conservatives). 
Having said that I am very worried about what Spain's decision may mean for the UK as there is likely to be a general election there about a year from now, and in any case no later than June 2006.
If Al-Queda now thinks that bombs will change national military policy in their favor then the risks that means for the UK, and especially London, don't bear thinking about, especially as it seems that suicide bombers were responsible for the atrocities in Spain, so the usual advice to look out for "unattended packages" isn't going to work.
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#169640 - 03/16/04 04:37 PM
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Z – I hope you are speaking for the mass.
OBL (assuming he is still alive) and his “executive team” sure would have taken note of this development in Spain. Let’s assume that a month before our election, President Bush is ahead in the polls. President Bush (with all his inherent flaws) is the last person OBL and the like want re-elected. They would most certainly want someone who is going to leave them alone, just like the Spanish so they can go on with their bushiness unchecked. So, a few suicide bombs and a few hundred dead, and the meek would say “enough”.
I am sure you scholars of history would remember that in 1933 or thereabouts, there was an election in Germany. A few days before the election, there was a similar disaster in the form of a massive fire. The result? A man named Hitler was swept into power. Later on, historians concluded that the “disaster” was actually “created” by Hitler. So, this would not be the first time “terror” has been used the change the vote of the meek.
I can see the writing on the wall (or on the ad canvas anyway) - A vote for Kerry is a vote for OBL or a vote for Bush is a vote for global chaos – and so on and so forth.
Interesting times ahead....
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#169641 - 03/16/04 04:52 PM
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If Al-Queda now thinks that bombs will change national military policy in their favor then the risks that means for the UK, and especially London, don't bear thinking about, especially as it seems that suicide bombers were responsible for the atrocities in Spain, so the usual advice to look out for "unattended packages" isn't going to work.
Actually, remote control bombs were used in Spain and not suicide bombers.
You know how they tracked and captured the suspects? One of the remote control bombs had the wrong timer. Similar to what we all have done with our alarm clocks. You know, setting the timer to PM instead of AM and sleeping through and being late for work.
So, one of the bags with bombs had the cell phone timer set at 7:45 pm instead of 7:45 am so it did not go off.
Thank god for that - some lives were spared and they found the cell phone which had phone numbers that were traced back to these thugs.....
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#169642 - 03/16/04 05:09 PM
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WWIII started September 11, 2001. This is not you father's war. The lines are not cleanly drawn in the sand. There is no convention to dictate the morality the methods of war (if that is not an oxymoron, I don't know what is). It will be long and ugly and we may not survive to see its end. That being said, live, love, and laugh. WT. If the Brits had a "second ammendment" we would not have to keep bailing them out. 
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#169646 - 03/16/04 05:48 PM
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I don't see an attack here before the election. The terrorists saw what happened here after 9/11 and they don't want to do anything that would cause the country to rally behind Bush.
Creditcop, I think you assign too much rational thought to the UBL-types. They probably have little understanding as to what the reaction to an attack would be. In fact, I'm not sure that we can all agree as to what the reaction would be. I have my hopes, but I really don't know. You can be certain that Mr. Bush would be blamed for not preventing it. Will there be an attack? I hope not. But I wouldn't rule it out, either.
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#169648 - 03/16/04 06:34 PM
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WildTurkey--I am not discounting the UKs stands in the past. I am concerned with the current climate there though. However, I assume that the news we receive here about the UK is received through a certain filter. I also assume the news the UK receives about us is similarly filtered. Maybe the people of the UK are not ready to oust a PM who supported the war on terror, but that is the sense I get. I don't get the sense that the US is also ready to oust GWB for the same reason--though the media has methodically turned on his defense policy. The Democrats have waited until the press softened the nation to make their criticisms--even those who voted for the war, like, well, John Kerry. Sorry if I offended you. That was not my intent.
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#169649 - 03/16/04 06:50 PM
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w/regard to the compliance comparison:
9/11 Was when the examiners came into the picture. It was the previous managment that decided to cut the compliance budget.
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#169651 - 03/16/04 08:56 PM
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You know something? I'd rather the war be fought on the terrorist's turf than in my backyard. The language of the terrorists is not one of peace. They don't want to talk. They want to kill. Violence is the only language that they speak, and violence is the only language that they will hear. Chamberlain came back to England after meeting with Hitler with the promise of "Peace in our time". What Chamberlain didn't realize is that Hitler didn't speak the language of peace. It wasn't until Churchill, Stalin, and later Roosevelt began to speak to Hitler in a language that he understood that Europe was freed. So it is with OBL and his dopey, half-witted followers. Sure, the terrorists will eventually strike again on our shores. It's assured. This is a worldwide guerilla war. It's not a police action. It will effect the way people think and act because these are frightening times. The important thing to remember is that to run and hide, to lie down, is to give the enemy victory. I don't care to give the enemy victory. I love my life in America. I want to be able to raise a family and go to work each day without fear. I want leaders who will stand up when we are attacked, not go to the peace table. If the terrorists truly wanted to talk, they would have come to talk. They didn't. They chose to attack. The time for peace talks is past.
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#169655 - 03/19/04 09:54 PM
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"I would not pay too much attention to those polls, particularly those from the Islamic countries. You have to factor in the fact that these countries do not have a free press so the people only know about America from whatever their state owned newspapers and Imams in the mosques tell them. "
It;s rather scary, and it seems to me that Islam preaches peace, peace, but has so much hate. Even the Muslim religion, which has beenone of the fastest growing religions, worries me. My son has recently taken up Muslim and it scares me. I am afraid for him, because of the times we are in. He can easily be mistaken for or get caught up in something, where he will get in trouble. I do communicate with him a lot about my concerns and try to remind him of our values and morals and what is right and wrong.
It is hard for that part of the world, Iran, Iraq, Palastine, those places where they learn what they are told. Where they live in fear and only do what they are told. They are not a free people, and when you are taught hate you live hate.
I hope and pray there will not be another attack on our country. But I do no think we can be absolutley sure there will not be.
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#169656 - 03/19/04 10:06 PM
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Betty, I agree that we will be attacked again at some point, but I don't think that it will be because we aren't trying to protect ourselves. I think we could very likely defend ourselves against any future terrorist attack, but we would lose America in the process. We would no longer have the freedoms that make this the greatest country on the face of the planet. I am not willing to cower in fear and give up my God given rights because some moron thinks he can hijack a religion and launch a crusade against our country in the name of his god. He can take a long walk off a short pier and if he wants to attack us, he better be prepared for retaliation. I don't practice Islam and I am generally ignorant of its teachings, but I would wager that the majority of Muslims want to be able to live peaceful, productive lives as citizens of whatever country they live in and practice their religion in peace. Instead, the actions of a few have branded the majority as a group of insane savages, and that's not right .
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#169657 - 03/20/04 06:54 PM
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One of the five pillars of Islam is Jihad. America in particular and the western civilizations in general, have multiple fatwas outstanding against them. Any Joe Islam on the street, if he is going to be a "good" Muslim must support Jihad.
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