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#627756 - 10/23/06 02:56 PM
Re: Barack Obama for President?
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Is it possible that they see him as a way to gain the votes of libertarians and disgruntled Republicans? I have to say that unless a "better" candidate is presented, our choices are looking pretty slim. Personally, as staunch an R as I am I'd consider him if it meant keeping the Hildabeast or McCain out.
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#627757 - 10/23/06 03:09 PM
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ABH...Anyone but Hillary.
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#627758 - 10/23/06 03:05 PM
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Does anyone know anything about him? Seems like an intelligent guy, but what is his background?
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#627759 - 10/23/06 03:29 PM
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Unfortunately, I don't think he's a viable candidate for a couple of reasons.
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#627761 - 10/23/06 03:29 PM
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Obama served in the Illinois State Senate from 1996-2004. In 2004, he won election to the U.S. Senate, becoming, at the time, 99th in seniority in the Senate.
Keep in mind that his first rival in the 2004 Senate race, Jack Ryan, withdrew partly because of allegations by his ex-wife. His replacement on the ballot, Alan Keyes, was nominated less than three months before the election.
So, Barack Obama has held national public office for less than two years, and his election came against decidely weak opposition. In 2000, he lost a primary campaign for the U.S. House of Representatives.
Frankly, given his lack of experience on the national stage, I don't see him as a viable candidate.
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#627764 - 10/23/06 03:49 PM
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I agree that he does not have enough experience. I also don't belive that the US will be electing a female or black president any time soon. There are too many people with biases for either of those to happen, possibly in my lifetime.
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#627765 - 10/23/06 03:46 PM
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The media has built this guy up to be the "rock star" of the Democratic party: young, charismatic, well spoken, well presented. I fear he has begun to believe his own press. And, with the withdrawal of Mark Warner, the field is less crowded.
I don't know that he brings much positive to the table. I think it is the lack of known negatives that makes him the repository of hope for many Democrats.
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#627767 - 10/23/06 04:35 PM
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Is it possible that they see him as a way to gain the votes of libertarians and disgruntled Republicans?
I could see him gaining the votes of liberal Republicans, possibly. But why in the world would a libertarian vote for this fellow?
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#627768 - 10/23/06 04:56 PM
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I know quite a few people who would likely be termed libertarians by the folks posting in this forum AND even some self-described conservatives who like and respect Obama quite a lot. I very much like and respect the man myself. He's brilliant, ethical, principled, and understands what the words dignity and integrity mean... and he applies these concepts to both his personal and public life from everything I've seen. He also brings a lot of energy, enthusiasm, and determination to get things done (and to make a difference) to the table. Quite frankly, he's a breath of fresh air in politics, in my humble opinion. Yes, I'm in Illinois, and so I'm likely a lot more familiar with him than people nationwide might be. I'm not sure all those politicians who simply have more years of experience in politics are necessarily the better person for the job whatsoever. History teaches us that sometimes those with long years of political experience can end up being horrible leaders and sometimes those with comparatively little experience can turn out to be great. The next 2 years will be interesting to watch him, that's for sure. JMHO.
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#627769 - 10/23/06 05:05 PM
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and determination to get things done (and to make a difference
For tose of us not in Illinois and not familiar with him, can you tell us what he has done that would warrant us voting for him for president? I was listening to talk radio at lunch, and 3 different commentators (3 different shows) all said he lacks experience and has yet to do anything worthwhile.
A lot of people have determination to accomplish somehting, but follwoing thru and making sure it is accomplished is somehting different than just having determination.
Other than his DNC speech, he doesn't get much coverage in Louisiana.
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#627771 - 10/23/06 05:23 PM
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#627772 - 10/23/06 05:40 PM
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For tose of us not in Illinois and not familiar with him, can you tell us what he has done that would warrant us voting for him for president? I was listening to talk radio at lunch, and 3 different commentators (3 different shows) all said he lacks experience and has yet to do anything worthwhile.
Sure. In his 7 years in the state senate, he worked tirelessly to get the Earned Income Tax Credit implemented, which has helped hundreds of thousands of working class families obtain tax breaks IF working instead of on welfare/aid. I'd think this was pretty worthwhile. He was absolutely instrumental in the work he did to pass laws in Illinois requiring law enforcement to videotape all criminal interrogations and confessions (this came after several convicted death-row inmates were found conclusively (DNA testing) to be NOT guilty, some had coerced confessions). He also worked as a vital part of groups getting new laws passed to enhance and extend early childhood education in Illinois.
He was a state senator for 7 years and has been a U.S. Senator since January 2005 (nearly 2 years). He's currently working on getting veterans the benefits they desparately need after faithfully serving our nation and becoming disabled in the process. I'd call that worthwhile, despite what any talk show hosts might say.
For comparison, let's take oh, say George W. Bush's political experience. When elected President in 2000, he had been governor of Texas from 1994 - 2000. Before that... umm... wait... what was there? Oh, yeah. A failed candidacy for the U.S. House of Representatives, in 1978. And then he owned a baseball team, but I wouldn't really call that political experience, would you?
So, it's somewhat incomprehensible to me how so many people seem to be talking about Obama's inexperience but GWB was said to be quite politically experienced. What did GWB do as governor that was so stunning and impressed everyone so much, again?
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#627777 - 10/23/06 06:27 PM
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I still don't think he's a viable candidate. I think he's a good man, but I don't think he's got what it takes to win this one and the Dems need to pick someone who actually has a chance at winning.
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#627778 - 10/23/06 06:29 PM
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I know how to spell perceive, I just typed it wrong and didn't proofread my work. Now please explain the difference.
who took exception with that? not i. what difference am i to explain?
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BTW Ron, of course, IS looking to start a fight.
nope. just trying to hold people accountable.
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And FWIW, I know how to spell perceive, I just typed it wrong and didn't proofread my work. Now please explain the difference.
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