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#1938505 - 07/08/14 05:56 PM
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NBC News reports that: The Obama administration is formally asking for $3.7 billion in emergency funds from Congress to address the flood of unaccompanied minor children coming illegally I've seen a little about this but obviously not enough. Why and how are children coming over the border by themselves? This part of the article bothered me greatly too. (some of the money is for) legal services for children in immigration proceedings How can a minor child immigrate here by themselves? Obviously I've a lot more research to do so any links you may have to good reports with minimal spin will be appreciated.
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#1938515 - 07/08/14 06:04 PM
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I as well have not been keeping up with this but 3.7 billion seems excessive when little is being done to stop the "illegal" immigration.
Let me rephrase 3.7 for the same old nothing.
Seems like the parties are just using this to score votes.
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#1938516 - 07/08/14 06:05 PM
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Parents from central American countries are putting their kids on buses and sending them north through Mexico to try to cross the boarder and enter the country on their own, hoping we will have compassion and not send them back home. the immigration centers are being overrun so many are still slipping on through.
It is a sad situation, which I am not sure what the best answers are.
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#1938519 - 07/08/14 06:09 PM
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I've done a bit more digging in the last few minutes. Politics aside, I cannot fathom what it must be like living on the border and seeing these children come into the country looking to the US to care for them. 3.7 billion doesn't seen like that much when you're not only talking about food and housing but looking for relatives to take care of them while they await deportation and all the follow-up that must entail, etc.
My question would be: Isn't there some way to refuse them entry? Without throwing away potential votes?
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#1938522 - 07/08/14 06:16 PM
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My question would be: Isn't there some way to refuse them entry?
What do you mean? Like, what are you thinking would happen to them?
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#1938526 - 07/08/14 06:21 PM
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well, to believe news reports, these kids have walked on their own from as far south as Ecuador and Columbia...certainly they should be able to turn around and walk back home if denied entry.
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#1938527 - 07/08/14 06:21 PM
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Like this maybe at the border? From that article comes this unsettling bit that I also saw in a news broadcast the other day. Unlike undocumented Mexican migrants, who are often immediately deported, the U.S. government detains and processes the Central Americans, who are eventually released and given a month to report to immigration offices. Many never show up and join the nation's 11 million undocumented population, says the National Border Patrol Council, the union representing Border Patrol agents. Why would this differentiation between country of origin resulting in 'lost detainees' like this be allowed to happen?
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#1938529 - 07/08/14 06:22 PM
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Well we could repeal child labor laws, but that still leaves the illegal immigrant part. No easy solutions but if I recall it was France or Italy that was shipping back Libyans no asylum given. Certainly harsh. If we did that would that stop it or slow it down?
If we let them stay what do you do with them?
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#1938530 - 07/08/14 06:22 PM
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Without throwing away potential votes? We're talking kids here. Not everything has to have a political bent to it. We're talking about children being sent away from severe poverty and violence, none like that you or your child have ever had to experience, in the hopes of finding at least some stability to for them to set a better course in life for their children.
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#1938532 - 07/08/14 06:24 PM
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Like this maybe at the border? From that article comes this unsettling bit that I also saw in a news broadcast the other day. Unlike undocumented Mexican migrants, who are often immediately deported, the U.S. government detains and processes the Central Americans, who are eventually released and given a month to report to immigration offices. Many never show up and join the nation's 11 million undocumented population, says the National Border Patrol Council, the union representing Border Patrol agents. Why would this differentiation between country of origin resulting in 'lost detainees' like this be allowed to happen? Sorry but you keep asking political questions. The answer is votes. If you send back x from y country z from y country will not vote for you (or deny legislation). That goes for all political positions.
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#1938536 - 07/08/14 06:27 PM
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Happy, I would never advocate ill treatment of children. But they're not walking here because they think it's a good idea. Maybe I'm just looking at parents from other countries and expecting them to have more American values which, I like to think, include not sending your child off by themselves to a foreign country. People in other countries may not have food to feed the kids or are part of the drug trade (or some other horrible circumstances) and feel that the kids are better off in USA by themselves.
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#1938537 - 07/08/14 06:27 PM
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Without throwing away potential votes? We're talking kids here. Not everything has to have a political bent to it. This is the Watercooler!!!
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#1938539 - 07/08/14 06:30 PM
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#1938540 - 07/08/14 06:29 PM
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How many "unaccompanied minor children coming illegally" are we talking about?
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#1938542 - 07/08/14 06:31 PM
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Without throwing away potential votes? We're talking kids here. Not everything has to have a political bent to it. We're talking about children being sent away from severe poverty and violence, none like that you or your child have ever had to experience, in the hopes of finding at least some stability to for them to set a better course in life for their children. That is why both sides need to come up with a solution rather than just saying that X hates the Y minorities and vote for me.
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#1938544 - 07/08/14 06:32 PM
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As compared to what the people in these countries see (or are told).
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#1938547 - 07/08/14 06:33 PM
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We're talking about children being sent away from severe poverty and violence, none like that you or your child have ever had to experience, in the hopes of finding at least some stability to for them to set a better course in life for their children. while me or my kids have never experienced it, there are plenty of places in America that poverty is just as bad...inner cities, Appalachia, Native American Reservations (although an argument could be made this is not "America" but a sovereign nation). And threat of violence in many inner-city housing projects is no better than many 3rd world countries. I live in small town USA, have friends that are teachers, and they said kids in their school often only get food when school is in and they have the free lunch and breakfast. poverty is not confined to 3rd world nations.
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#1938548 - 07/08/14 06:33 PM
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Like it or not this is a political issue. The solution is to send them back, that will not win you any votes and you will be crucified by the media. The other option is we keep the kids here in camps until they turn 18 and then set them free or send them back to their country.
Does that suck, sure it does, but the US is not the world's caretaker.
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