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#464288 - 12/01/05 02:38 PM
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You and Bill O'Reilly and Pat Robertson should get together sometime.
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#464289 - 12/01/05 02:51 PM
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Sounds like a pretty informed and analytical view of the situation and positions to me..... 
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#464290 - 12/01/05 03:25 PM
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Such a group was reportedly kidnapped in Iraq yesterday. I wonder how they feel now since they are facing reality with knives at their throats, blindfolded and jammed into a room with armed captors?
Are you getting some sort of sick pleasure out of their plight? 
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#464292 - 12/01/05 03:51 PM
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My intent is to show the stupidity of the beliefs!
Sounds like a pretty informed and analytical view of the situation and positions to me.....
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#464293 - 12/01/05 03:57 PM
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I see ... it's stupid to not want to kill someone. Interesting.
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#464294 - 12/01/05 04:17 PM
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I think this is a textbook case of natural selection in action. You don't wander into the bear's cave to try and befriend the bear, nor do you go into a church and talk to people about Buddah.
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#464295 - 12/01/05 04:42 PM
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According to Fraudman, if these people get killed, they got what's coming to them. Now, I ask you, how sick is that!?
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#464297 - 12/01/05 04:45 PM
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I'm sincerely sorry for thier situation and I pray that they get released and can go home to their families. I also believe this a result of not understanding the reality of evil in our time.
where are you going with your "reality of evil in our time" comment? what is YOUR understanding of it?
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#464298 - 12/01/05 04:49 PM
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Not sick at all. For these pacifists to think that they are so much more aware of the situation than the terrorists that they can stroll on over and resolve it with a few words is insane and elitist. There's no misunderstanding to the terrorists... they KNOW what's going on. (even if it's not correct, do you honestly think that telling them they're mistaken is gonna make them slap their heads and go D'oh! like Homer Simpson?) It's the same thing as going up to a radical pro-lifer and politely telling them that there's a misunderstanding in the way they think... Like the above post; Natural Selection in action.
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#464299 - 12/01/05 04:49 PM
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Ummm....can I answer that "reality of evil in our time" question?
Answer: The people who kill innocent people (even similar believers) with out restraint and indiscriminately because they want to control them.
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#464300 - 12/01/05 04:53 PM
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Ummm....can I answer that "reality of evil in our time" question?
Answer: The people who kill innocent people (even similar believers) with out restraint and indiscriminately because they want to control them.
not sure if that directly answers the question or comprehends the enormity of the issue. that is kind of why i want to hear raymond's view.
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#464301 - 12/01/05 05:04 PM
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Is the "reality of evil in our time" any worse than it has ever been?
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#464303 - 12/01/05 05:27 PM
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According to the Iraquis it's us that is pure evil. Plus, I'm sure we have spilled some innocent blood during the course of this war so does that make us evil and make the Iraquis right?
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#464304 - 12/01/05 05:28 PM
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Bravo Raymond. My thoughts exactly!
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#464305 - 12/01/05 05:39 PM
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I try to avoid commenting on anonymous posts because it’s a lot like chasing lighting bugs. But, here it goes...
"The reality is that you cannot argue, persuade, negotiate, or coexist with evil. Evil wants nothing more than to defeat you. The only way for you to win is to defeat evil before it defeats you."
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Raymond, this sounds rather cliche and "stay the course". I don't believe that your view truly appreciates teh situation. Correct me if I am wrong but you view the problem as though it is a matter of simply killing a finite number of rodents. However, these rodents will multiply due to (perverse) ideological reasons, but reasons nonetheless. This policy or view that we can simply remove the problem like a decaying tooth is a bit short-sighted. I am not a pacifist by any stretch. But I also appreciate that there is more to dealing with the situation than following one's own righteous ideology. MichelleDawn made a very telling point about perspectives involved. Unless you are of a mind to believe Wolfowitz when he said that we would simply be welcomed into Baghdad as liberators. While this is not exactly the same issue, it illustrates a myopic belief in the dangers of being consumed by one's own ideology.
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#464306 - 12/01/05 05:40 PM
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According to the Iraquis it's us that is pure evil. Plus, I'm sure we have spilled some innocent blood during the course of this war so does that make us evil and make the Iraquis right?
I think there is a difference between casualties of war and cutting off heads for video.
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#464307 - 12/01/05 05:43 PM
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According to the Iraquis it's us that is pure evil. Plus, I'm sure we have spilled some innocent blood during the course of this war so does that make us evil and make the Iraquis right?
I think there is a difference between casualties of war and cutting off heads for video.
To both Whodunit and MichelleDawn: Emotionalizing the issue is not helpful either. Nobody is justifying the terrorists' methods. But a solution will not not be found by approaching the issue from this angle.
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#464308 - 12/01/05 05:44 PM
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According to the Iraquis it's us that is pure evil. Plus, I'm sure we have spilled some innocent blood during the course of this war so does that make us evil and make the Iraquis right?
I think there is a difference between casualties of war and cutting off heads for video.
You obviously aren't aware of how many civilian casualties the US military has created during this war. The estimates from an independant council are in the 100's of thousands... too bad the US doesn't keep tabs on civie deaths.
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#464309 - 12/01/05 05:46 PM
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Add the other anon to the list:
Emotionalizing the issue is not helpful either. Nobody is justifying the terrorists' methods. But a solution will not not be found by approaching the issue from this angle.
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#464311 - 12/01/05 05:56 PM
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War,
HUH!
Good Gawd ya'll!
Wha-at is it good for?
Absolutely Nothin'!
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