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#288724 - 12/14/04 07:01 PM
Sleeping problems and small children
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Since we have been on the topics of toddlers lately...our 2 year old (3 in March) has started waking up in the middle of the night and we are having a difficult time 1. getting her to stay in her bed and 2. getting her back to sleep. HELP!!! Our 5 week old is up during the times the 2 year old is not and lack of sleep is starting to get to me.
One night when she woke up at 2 am she wanted to watch a movie and was "hungry for pizza".
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#288725 - 12/14/04 07:05 PM
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Sounds like a smart cookie, she knows how to get undivided attention. Did she start this after the arrival of the new baby? You're going to have to make sure there isn't a payoff for her when she wakes. Be stern, not nasty and firmly put her back in bed. (And hope she stays there).
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#288726 - 12/14/04 07:39 PM
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We have been stern with her...although lately we have let her sleep on the floor of her room or on the couch. She was doing this occassionally prior to the baby...she says she is having bad dreams so I am not sure what is going on (she is screaming when she wakes up). She has always been somewhat difficult to get to bed, but this seems to be getting out of hand.
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#288730 - 12/14/04 09:47 PM
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My 3 year old goes through that off and on and it almost always goes along with an 'eating' stage we call it. He eats everything and anything he can find. He is underweight as he has asthma and is on 3 daily medications so he doesn't really gain well. We just encourage healthy foods and wait for it to end. The doctor says it is the same as all children, boys worse that girls, and they are growth spurts. The children are up and dreaming at night because their bodies hurt from the growth. My doctor swears it's true even though it sounds funny to me!
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#288731 - 12/14/04 09:53 PM
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I'm sorry I don't have any answers for you. We are having a similar problem with our '14-month-old'. She has just started waking-up crying for her mom in the middle of the night, and the only thing that seems to satisfy her is bringing her to bed with us. We really don't want to start this routine, but don't know what else to do. We let her go for nearly two hours the other night, but she wouldn't stop. I hope it's just a phase. We have been spoiled up until now, as she nearly always sleeps through the night in her own crib.
By the looks of all the responses, this is a pretty common problem.
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#288732 - 12/14/04 11:21 PM
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Wow...I guess we just need to muster the energy to get through this and hope it passes. SOON! Our 4 year old has gone through this before and it appeared to be growth spurts, but not to this extent. Thanks everyone!!!
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#288734 - 12/15/04 05:22 AM
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That is funny Kaybee.
I was watching NBC nightly news tonight and they had a story on exactly this...how odd. I guess there will be an article in the Wall Street Journal tomorrow if anyone has access to it.
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#288736 - 12/15/04 01:48 PM
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I think the white noise thing works, too. My son always wants his ceiling fan on, even in the winter. I guess the "whirr-whirr" sound drowns anything else he can hear.
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#288737 - 12/15/04 01:57 PM
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Kiwi:
1. Talk to your pediatrician.
2. Look for some good books on the subject. There are entire books on this subject being purchased by sleep deprived parents.
3. Do you have a comforting bedtime routine? Does the child have some sort of comfort item to sleep with? One thing that worked with us is to let our 2 year old sleep on the trundle bed in his sisters room. It is not foolproof--for example, he was in bed with us when I woke up this morning. However, for the most part he has been sleeping later and not getting up in the middle of the night. I think it comforts him to have someone in bed with him.
4. As an infant, did you go comfort him everytime he cried or did you let him learn how to go back to sleep by himself? If you went to him each time, you probably did not train him to go back to sleep without you (if you are like my wife, you just could not stand to hear the li'l darling crying in the night--so you went for the quick fixed and fixed yourself for many sleepless nights). If this is the problem, go buy one of those large clocks that have digital numbers--they are for people with sight problems I believe. Choose a time that it is ok for him to get out of bed--then write that number on a large piece of paper or even a poster board. Put the number next to the clock. Put a piece of paper over all of the numbers except the hour. Put a gate in his doorway so he cannot get out of the room. Tell your son that until the number on this paper matches the number on the clock, he is not to get out of bed. Tell him what reward he will get if he makes it all night--maybe even put a picture of it on the poster board as a reminder. You can tell him what the exceptions are, but be careful--if he is as smart as my kids (which I'm sure he is), he'll tell you that he had a nightmare or his daiper leaked even when he did not. You can usually tell by the intensity of the crying whether it truly is fear. Anyway, you will hear much wailing and gnashing of teeth the first few nights that he is "locked" in his room, but after a few nights, he will learn that it is not OK to get up until the numbers match. Even very young children can get the knack of this. You may even have to make this a discipline matter--taking something away from him when he disobeys the rule and rewarding him when he makes it all night.
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#288738 - 12/15/04 01:59 PM
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I think the white noise thing works, too. My son always wants his ceiling fan on, even in the winter. I guess the "whirr-whirr" sound drowns anything else he can hear.
Oh, yes, we used that too!! Also, no caffiene or sugar after noon. Not that a child that age should have any caffiene, but don't give them even a sip of coke after noon. I agree about the naps too--don't let the child sleep long if he just has to have a nap. Keep him up if possible. And no napping after 4 pm.
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#288739 - 12/15/04 03:13 PM
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Not to discourage you, but I have tried all of the above suggestions. My son is 9 and did not sleep through the night until Kindergarten! He still wakes during the night and often cannot fall back to sleep easily. Thankfully, he stays in his own bed, but he is often tired the next day. I have most recently bought some lavendar bath soap to relax him before bed time. I also found it helps to turn off the television around 7:30pm, then have him bathe, then allow him 30 minutes of reading time. All of this has helped, but he still often wakes during the night.
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#288740 - 12/15/04 05:06 PM
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We have tried everything that Z mentioned. Although I am going to watch her diet a little closer and see if there is something that is triggering it. IF we can get her to bed by 8pm there is less likelihood of her waking up. We read a book back when she was little and nothing was new to us in there as we were already doing most of it due to her sister. We do have a nightly routine that includes a bath and books or singing before bed. We do have white noise going in the room and have even tried the radio. So, I guess we will just have to try a few other tricks and then see if anything works. Thanks again for everyone's input.
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#288741 - 12/15/04 05:57 PM
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We have tried everything that Z mentioned. Although I am going to watch her diet a little closer and see if there is something that is triggering it. IF we can get her to bed by 8pm there is less likelihood of her waking up. We read a book back when she was little and nothing was new to us in there as we were already doing most of it due to her sister. We do have a nightly routine that includes a bath and books or singing before bed. We do have white noise going in the room and have even tried the radio. So, I guess we will just have to try a few other tricks and then see if anything works. Thanks again for everyone's input.
Steady as she goes Kiwi. Don't try everything. Several things at once are ok, but you must keep doing the same thing night after night. Parenting is not for cowards and you will hear screaming and yelling, but with firm resolve and consequences, you can likely lick this. There are exceptions.
If your child does not respond to your efforts, then let him stay awake. Just make sure that you have him locked into an area where he cannot hurt himself and does not have access to the entire house or an exit. Make sure that there is nothing that he could swallow or climb or in any way be hurt by and let the little darling stay up if nothing else works, but make it clear that he will be up alone. You company will not help the situation.
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#288744 - 12/15/04 06:17 PM
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Z, we haven't tried everything at once, this has been going on for some time and have tried bits and pieces and waited before trying a new technique. The bathtime ritual was started when she was an infant. I was trying to get additional ideas to try that we haven't tried before in the last 2 years to see if there is something else that might work for her. She is one that needs to have options in order for things to run smoothly. She also usually responds well to letting her know what she needs to do.
I have thought about trying the clock idea, but I am a little worried she is too young for this, but then again maybe she isn't.
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#288745 - 12/15/04 06:29 PM
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Here's a slightly different twist...My son who is now five did not want to sleep alone because he was scared and saw monsters etc. I tried to pass it off that all kids go through this. However we have come to believe that children are much more alert to the world around them and whether or not he did see things I don't know. After talking with some other parents we made a few changes and the being scared or waking up screaming has stopped. We always pray for him and his sister out load asking for protection of their minds while they are sleeping and ask that they have good "Jesus Dreams". We also bought him a CD player and left him fall asleep to Worship Music. He hasn't had any nightmares since we began.
I name all the monsters they know before they go to bed and convince them they are nice: Cookie Monster, Two Headed Monster, Elmo, Grover, etc.... Read the book, "There is a Monster at the End of this Book" and then discuss it with them. The monster at the end of the book is Elmo and Grover in the second volume of the book. I do not have volume 1.
I also pray with my son and ask God that no monsters or puppets will be in our house or his room (he is also afraid of puppets). I tell him that God promised us that here would be no puppets. (As an aside, I volunteered for puppet duty at our church and the head of the puppets asked me to take my puppet home and practice. I told her that I could not take a puppet in my house because I promised my son that our house was a puppet-free-zone.)
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#288746 - 12/15/04 07:21 PM
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Our Pediatrician had us get a spray bottle of "Special Monster Repellent" (aka. water) that our son could spray around his room before he went to bed. It sounds crazy, but it really helped the "monster" stage.
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