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#2157689 - 12/19/17 03:41 PM CTR-Federal Hill Gang
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We recently took a hard hit by the Federal Hill Gang and a CTR is required. Since we obviously don't know the true identity of the benefitting thief I assume that checking unknown throughout the CTR and having the fraud documentation as back up is sufficient?

Thanks in advance.

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#2157693 - 12/19/17 03:50 PM Re: CTR-Federal Hill Gang Anonymous
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Personally - I have no idea what you are talking about.
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#2157697 - 12/19/17 04:05 PM Re: CTR-Federal Hill Gang Anonymous
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I don't think you have to complete at CTR for a robbery
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#2157703 - 12/19/17 04:15 PM Re: CTR-Federal Hill Gang Anonymous
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It's a gang of people who have been hitting the East Coast. They break into vehicles and steal ID and any bank information they can find(checks, debit cards, statements). They then impersonate the customer using the customer's ID and cash other stolen checks against the legitimate customer's accounts. Our customer had her ID stolen as well as her check book and debit card, fraudster went to multiple branches using our customer's ID and cashed stolen checks over $10k against her account resulting in CTR.

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#2157707 - 12/19/17 04:28 PM Re: CTR-Federal Hill Gang Anonymous
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My choice for this situation would be to select aggregated and also check the unknown box for the individual.
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#2157710 - 12/19/17 04:38 PM Re: CTR-Federal Hill Gang Anonymous
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Great, those were my thoughts as well. They've hit us in the past but this is the first time they got enough a CTR was necessary.
Appreciate your help.

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#2157711 - 12/19/17 04:40 PM Re: CTR-Federal Hill Gang RockChucker, CAMS
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Originally Posted By RockChucker, CAMS
I don't think you have to complete at CTR for a robbery

RC could be correct and I would call FinCEN and ask them if you actually need to file the CTR. If not, keep your documentation for an examiner who may disagree.
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#2157712 - 12/19/17 04:41 PM Re: CTR-Federal Hill Gang Anonymous
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I agree with contacting the help desk about the CTR. Under the circumstances, I think your SAR is the more pressing document.
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#2157727 - 12/19/17 05:28 PM Re: CTR-Federal Hill Gang Anonymous
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Thank you. I do have a call into FinCEN and the SAR material is being gathered together as I write this. This 'gang' has been very active lately.

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#2157837 - 12/20/17 04:39 AM Re: CTR-Federal Hill Gang Anonymous
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Not relevant to the CTR question, but I've only ever heard this crime ring described as Felony Lane Gang. Federal Hill Gang is a term that I've not encountered before.

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#2157849 - 12/20/17 01:56 PM Re: CTR-Federal Hill Gang JacF
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Originally Posted By JacPCB
Not relevant to the CTR question, but I've only ever heard this crime ring described as Felony Lane Gang. Federal Hill Gang is a term that I've not encountered before.


I thought the Felony Hill Gang were our elected officials in DC... crazy
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#2157888 - 12/20/17 04:30 PM Re: CTR-Federal Hill Gang JacF
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You're correct, my mistake.

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