484 DJIA Gain the fault of McCain?

Posted By: HappyGilmore

484 DJIA Gain the fault of McCain? - 10/01/08 12:56 PM

Since at least one person posted here that the bailout failure and subsequent 778 point DJIA drop was the fault of McCain, I wonder if that same learned youth will blame McCain for the huge gain yesterday? Nah, that'd never happen...
Posted By: Hated By Some

Re: 484 DJIA Gain the fault of McCain? - 10/01/08 01:31 PM

i am not going to even dignify this conflation with a response but i do have a nice gift for you:

http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard
Posted By: Snow Bunny

Re: 484 DJIA Gain the fault of McCain? - 10/01/08 01:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Happy Gilmore
Since at least one person posted here that the bailout failure and subsequent 778 point DJIA drop was the fault of McCain, I wonder if that same learned youth will blame McCain for the huge gain yesterday? Nah, that'd never happen...



Since the drop was McCain's fault, yesterday's gain definitely had to be Obama's
Posted By: HappyGilmore

Re: 484 DJIA Gain the fault of McCain? - 10/01/08 02:08 PM

wow, a page that doesn't load...thanks, just what I've always wanted.

also, you are using conflation out of context, possibly your "word of the day" email is confusng to you
Posted By: grmasterb

Re: 484 DJIA Gain the fault of McCain? - 10/01/08 02:55 PM

Folks, haven't we all learned THE TRUTH?

Good economic/financial news -- Credit Reagan
Bad economic/financial news -- Blame Clinton

The truth has been spoken.
Posted By: TheManofSteel

Re: 484 DJIA Gain the fault of McCain? - 10/01/08 03:36 PM

How about:

Some Good Economic/Financial News - Credit Reagan and Clinton
Some Bad Economic/Financial News - Blame Reagan and Clinton

And when doing so, apply specifics.
Posted By: Hated By Some

Re: 484 DJIA Gain the fault of McCain? - 10/01/08 04:17 PM

Quote:
also, you are using conflation out of context, possibly your "word of the day" email is confusng to you

so your spin-doctoring of multiple issues to arrive at a larger point is not this: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conflation ?
Posted By: Creditcop

Re: 484 DJIA Gain the fault of McCain? - 10/01/08 04:18 PM

Even a dead cat will bounce if you throw it down hard enough.
Posted By: HappyGilmore

Re: 484 DJIA Gain the fault of McCain? - 10/01/08 05:46 PM

i don't see that the DJIA losing and then gaining, and assessing blame for this, is multiple issues. Or am I injecting other issues here that I'm not aware of?
Posted By: Hated By Some

Re: 484 DJIA Gain the fault of McCain? - 10/01/08 06:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Happy Gilmore
i don't see that the DJIA losing and then gaining, and assessing blame for this, is multiple issues. Or am I injecting other issues here that I'm not aware of?

i don't see how you are implying that i am blaming mccain for the dow. i'm commenting on mccain wrt the bailout bill.
Posted By: Princess Romeo

Re: 484 DJIA Gain the fault of McCain? - 10/01/08 06:59 PM

If you want a chilling series of deja vu, take a look at the events leading up to the great crash of 1929 and subsequent aftermath including pronouncements by prominent political and business leaders both before and after.

You could replace 1929 with 2008 and you would be hard pressed to tell the difference.
Posted By: HappyGilmore

Re: 484 DJIA Gain the fault of McCain? - 10/01/08 07:08 PM

only Pale was alive to provide historically accurate information
Posted By: Pale Rider

Re: 484 DJIA Gain the fault of McCain? - 10/01/08 07:09 PM

a market correction like 1929 is bad, but what would be worse is the government intervention and theory that politicians could fix things that took place in the 30's

this country will be bankrupt in another generation or two...
Posted By: Hated By Some

Re: 484 DJIA Gain the fault of McCain? - 10/01/08 07:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Pale Rider
a market correction like 1929 is bad, but what would be worse is the government intervention and theory that politicians could fix things that took place in the 30's

this country will be bankrupt in another generation or two...

the contrary argument is that it is precisely the lack of affirmative action to ameliorate the crisis is what made it so severe. who gets hurt more when the severity is prolonged? is it the people that "main street" wants to punish?
Posted By: Pale Rider

Re: 484 DJIA Gain the fault of McCain? - 10/01/08 07:30 PM

well, the depression would seem to be the evidence you seek; and we may have another prolonged period after Thursday when those folks up in Washington fix this ....
Posted By: Princess Romeo

Re: 484 DJIA Gain the fault of McCain? - 10/01/08 07:57 PM

Some historical perspectives:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/crash/sfeature/sf_headlines.html

http://www.newspaperarchive.com/DailyPerspectiveFullView.aspx?ViewDate=10/24/2005

http://www.usagold.com/gildedopinion/prognost.html

http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch15wd.html

http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/butkiewicz.finance.corp.reconstruction

Buffet appears to be repeating the actions of Rockefeller when he announced he was making major stock purchases in 1929.
http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/buffett-to-invest-3-billion-in-ge/?hp
Posted By: Pale Rider

Re: 484 DJIA Gain the fault of McCain? - 10/01/08 08:08 PM

goodnight!

let's hope Yogi Berra was wrong!!
Posted By: Hated By Some

Re: 484 DJIA Gain the fault of McCain? - 10/01/08 08:33 PM

bonnie, i did not see the rockefeller reference in the ge/buffet story and i am not aware of his actions so could you explain the analogy?
Posted By: Hated By Some

Re: 484 DJIA Gain the fault of McCain? - 10/01/08 08:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Pale Rider
goodnight!

let's hope Yogi Berra was wrong!!

i'd say let's trust the insight of the preeminent depression-era scholar on what do in similar conditions.
Posted By: Princess Romeo

Re: 484 DJIA Gain the fault of McCain? - 10/02/08 12:30 AM

Originally Posted By: McCain Economics
bonnie, i did not see the rockefeller reference in the ge/buffet story and i am not aware of his actions so could you explain the analogy?


If you go through the PBS link, you'll see the newspaper article where Rockefeller publically announces he's investing a large sum to buy stocks.
Posted By: Princess Romeo

Re: 484 DJIA Gain the fault of McCain? - 10/02/08 12:35 AM

Originally Posted By: McCain Economics
bonnie, i did not see the rockefeller reference in the ge/buffet story and i am not aware of his actions so could you explain the analogy?


If you go through the PBS link, you'll see the newspaper article where Rockefeller publically announces he's investing a large sum to buy stocks.

Here's another link:

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:Es5b...;cd=3&gl=us

And in part the articles states:

"European investors began to pull out, and some - maybe too many - Americans were equally prudent. After another three weeks, famous stocks began to lose 10 points, 25 points, 40 points. Tuesday 22nd October, a rally and several big men, chairmen of the big banks put out warming assurances about the soundness of the economy and the healthiness of what they called the 'shakeout'. Nothing prepared anyone for Thursday 24th - the rush of selling was now a deluge. Five of the biggest bankers formed an emergency pool to move in and buy and steady prices, which they did. For three or four days.

But the bankers' stopgap heroics were no more than a thumb in the dike. Tuesday - another deluge. One appalling but by no means unique example: a famous sewing company's stock which had been at 48 closed on the Monday 28th at 11. Next day a messenger boy had the gall to offer a dollar a share .. and bought a packet. Two days later, John D Rockefeller announced he was buying common stocks. The exchange declared a holiday to help the sleepless floor clerks rest and then climb through the mountains of unfilled orders. But the market fell and fell again. And in the middle of November the deluge hit rock bottom. In two weeks, thirty billion dollars no longer existed on paper or in life - which was just about the money the United States had spent to fight the First World War. "
Posted By: Pale Rider

Re: 484 DJIA Gain the fault of McCain? - 10/02/08 12:41 PM

Originally Posted By: McCain Economics
Originally Posted By: Pale Rider
goodnight!

let's hope Yogi Berra was wrong!!

i'd say let's trust the insight of the preeminent depression-era scholar on what do in similar conditions.



I am more inclined to listen to those there on the scene and got a taste of the 30's risque moral....