Obama's approval ratings continue to drop

Posted By: HappyGilmore

Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 01:23 PM

Quote:
President Obama Job Approval
Approve 59.4%
Disapprove 33.9%


And for a serious question, has he followed through and completed any of his grandiose campaign promises? I can't think of any that he made that he has acted on.
Posted By: Sound Tactic

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 01:27 PM

He said he would buy a dog.
Posted By: Snow Bunny

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 01:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Green Tea
He said he would buy a dog.



Didn't Teddy Kennedy give them the dog?


laugh

Posted By: Sound Tactic

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 01:30 PM

hahahha and the dog speaks dog and Austrian.
Posted By: The OG Zaibatsu

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 01:31 PM

Yeah, and Teddy has given each Republican president the bird.
Posted By: buggs

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 02:15 PM

If his numbers drop, it's not his fault. It's Dick "Freddy Krueger" Cheney's fault because he is spreading lies. Right?
Posted By: FBH

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 02:24 PM

I think the drop is just more quantitative easing...Whatever the he// that is!
Posted By: Sound Tactic

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 02:28 PM

His approval rating is inversely correlated to the number of lobbyists he appoints.
Posted By: MB Guy

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 02:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Bugs Bunny
If his numbers drop, it's not his fault. It's Dick "Freddy Krueger" Cheney's fault because he is spreading lies. Right?


Is this facetious or??
Posted By: Sound Tactic

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 02:48 PM

Obama called Bill Clinton the liar. Him and Cheney just don't agree on torture.
Posted By: buggs

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 02:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Great Apologist
Originally Posted By: Bugs Bunny
If his numbers drop, it's not his fault. It's Dick "Freddy Krueger" Cheney's fault because he is spreading lies. Right?

Is this facetious or??

Your call. smile
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:00 PM

i call "facetious" smile
Posted By: MB Guy

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Miscuit
i call "facetious" smile


you never know around this joint...
Posted By: Bobby Boucher

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Miscuit
i call "facetious" smile

but can you say it 3 times fast?
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:03 PM

why yes i can...and i just did! grin
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Great Apologist
Originally Posted By: Miscuit
i call "facetious" smile


you never know around this joint...


THAT'S for sure!
Posted By: The OG Zaibatsu

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:06 PM

I just have one word for anything you want to blame Obama for:

INHERITED
Posted By: Snow Bunny

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Miscuit
why yes i can...and i just did! grin




I didn't hear you - can I trust you?

confused
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:08 PM

Originally Posted By: P.B.
Originally Posted By: Miscuit
why yes i can...and i just did! grin




I didn't hear you - can I trust you?

confused




of course! you should try it too!


(it's all in the tongue action) wink
Posted By: Snow Bunny

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:21 PM

blush

I tried it........I liked it wink
Posted By: DD Regs

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:25 PM

Originally Posted By: fka -Z-
I just have one word for anything you want to blame Obama for:

INHERITED


I can just hear him now reading it from his teleprompter.

"I inherited these approval ratings from the previous administration..."

laugh
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:28 PM

Originally Posted By: fka -Z-
I just have one word for anything you want to blame Obama for:

INHERITED


once again...

i call "facetious"


(am i battin' 1000 or what!?) grin
Posted By: Sound Tactic

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:33 PM

I think you know what we call that sort of thing around here Miscuit. Intellectual Bankruptcy.
Posted By: Bacon Boy

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:34 PM

Or what? Eye can't really tell what you're trying to say. smirk
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Green Tea
I think you know what we call that sort of thing around here Miscuit. Intellectual Bankruptcy.



IB...it's an ugly disorder

(isn't there already some kind of disorder called "IB" though?) eek
Posted By: Snow Bunny

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:35 PM

Originally Posted By: BaconBoy
Or what? Eye can't really tell what you're trying to say. smirk


BaconBoy - so thoroughly disappointed in your incorrect use of spelling. frown
Posted By: Sound Tactic

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:36 PM

Or in your case Eye B.
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:37 PM

::gives GT the eye::
Posted By: Jo

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:39 PM

It took 8 years to bring the U.S. to it's knees on W's watch, let's at least give the guy the rest of his term and then judge his performance.
Posted By: Bobby Boucher

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Miscuit
(isn't there already some kind of disorder called "IB" though?)

Yes, it covers a wide range of ailments. I think the full name is "IBSick". Symptomatically speaking, it is very closely related to "Iaintrite". Unfortunately, this last one really hits close to home for me...
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:43 PM

laugh
Posted By: Bobby Boucher

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:43 PM

Originally Posted By: What Moss81 said
It took 8 years to bring the U.S. to it's knees on W's watch, let's at least give the guy the rest of his term and then judge his performance.


Originally Posted By: What Moss81 meant
INHERITED!!!
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Moss81
It took 8 years to bring the U.S. to it's knees on W's watch, let's at least give the guy the rest of his term and then judge his performance.



even though i'm very skeptical...i'll have to agree
Posted By: Snow Bunny

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Moss81
It took 8 years to bring the U.S. to it's knees on W's watch, let's at least give the guy the rest of his term and then judge his performance.



And what fun would that be Moss81?

wink
Posted By: Bacon Boy

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:45 PM

Originally Posted By: P.B.
Originally Posted By: BaconBoy
Or what? Eye can't really tell what you're trying to say. smirk


BaconBoy - so thoroughly disappointed in your incorrect use of spelling. frown



I guess I should stamp my forehead with the "FAIL" mark, as I was trying to draw attention to Miscuit's avatar. For my poor judgment, I apologize. cry
Posted By: HappyGilmore

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Moss81
It took 8 years to bring the U.S. to it's knees on W's watch, let's at least give the guy the rest of his term and then judge his performance.


Well, he did triple the deficit in his first 100 days, so using that as a basis, by the end of 4 years he will have increased the deficit more than 14 times what it was when he started. That is a scary thought...
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:48 PM

but maybe in the last 100 days, he can totally wipe out the entire deficit?





let's play: ^^^^ facetious or what?
Posted By: Bobby Boucher

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:49 PM

Originally Posted By: BaconBoy
I guess I should stamp my forehead with the "FAIL" mark, as I was trying to draw attention to Miscuit's avatar. For my poor judgment, I apologize. cry

I think we were too drawn to your lovely avatar to notice the joke
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:49 PM

Originally Posted By: BaconBoy
Originally Posted By: P.B.
Originally Posted By: BaconBoy
Or what? Eye can't really tell what you're trying to say. smirk


BaconBoy - so thoroughly disappointed in your incorrect use of spelling. frown



I guess I should stamp my forehead with the "FAIL" mark, as I was trying to draw attention to Miscuit's avatar. For my poor judgment, I apologize. cry



eye got your use of "eye", BB wink
Posted By: Bobby Boucher

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Miscuit
but maybe in the last 100 days, he can totally wipe out the entire deficit?





let's play: ^^^^ facetious or what?


facetiousfacetiousfacetious!

(you're right about that tongue thing wink )
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 03:57 PM

it takes talent to do that wink


how YOU doin'?
Posted By: Bobby Boucher

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 04:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Miscuit
how YOU doin'?



[Please refer to the Posting Icon to the left of the Post Title] wink
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 04:11 PM

^^^^ cracks me up!
Posted By: MB Guy

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 04:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Moss81
It took 8 years to bring the U.S. to it's knees on W's watch, let's at least give the guy the rest of his term and then judge his performance.


Yes, could not agree more. Let's continue down the wrong road and see how far we can go before we're totally ruined. Might as well give the Dems their opportunity to ruin the country.


Oh, just as an aside, I respectfully ask, what part of the country do you feel Bush ruined Moss?
Posted By: Sound Tactic

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 04:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Moss81
It took 8 years to bring the U.S. to it's knees on W's watch, let's at least give the guy the rest of his term and then judge his performance.


In what way was the US brought to its knees on W's watch. Please explain, or just make false accusations and run out. The choice is yours.
Posted By: DD Regs

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 04:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Moss81
It took 8 years to bring the U.S. to it's knees on W's watch, let's at least give the guy the rest of his term and then judge his performance.


You joking right?

Originally Posted By: Green Tea
Originally Posted By: Moss81
It took 8 years to bring the U.S. to it's knees on W's watch, let's at least give the guy the rest of his term and then judge his performance.


In what way was the US brought to its knees on W's watch. Please explain, or just make false accusations and run out. The choice is yours.



Yes, please let us know how "W" brought the US to its knees.

Based on the World Apology tour, I would say it is BO who has put the US on its knees.
Posted By: Bobby Boucher

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 04:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Moss81
It took 8 years to bring the U.S. to it's knees on W's watch, let's at least give the guy the rest of his term and then judge his performance.

If I understand Moss's point correctly, I think this analogy sums it up:

A husband and wife are taking a trip in their car, the wife is driving. It becomes very apparent to the husband that the wife has taken a wrong turn. However, the husband remembers that, years ago on different trips, he took some wrong turns (this, of course, is why the wife is now doing the driving wink ). Because of these past mistakes, the husband should be disallowed from speaking up about this current mistake. Instead he should wait until they are thoroughly lost, out of gas, stranded on the side of the road...Then, and only then, can he say "I told you so!".
Posted By: QCL

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 05:04 PM

Bobby - that was terrific smile



We told you so...
Posted By: YosemiteSamIAm

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 05:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Moss81
It took 8 years to bring the U.S. to it's knees on W's watch, let's at least give the guy the rest of his term and then judge his performance.
I thought Bill Clinton did that...oh yeah, that was just interns...
Posted By: HappyGilmore

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 05:25 PM

and yet, all kidding aside, no one has listed any promise he made and kept. Could it be that the nation as a whole was hoodwinked by this charlatan? And that he is truly an empty suit? And that his lack of leadership is showing? Nah, can't be any of that, he's only been in office 140 days, way too early for him to have accomplished anything of substance and value. Give hime time, after all, he's already 11% into his first term.
Posted By: buggs

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 05:48 PM

Originally Posted By: HG
And that he is truly an empty suit?

If anyone thinks that, I'm becoming convinced they are dead wrong.

Originally Posted By: HP
And that his lack of leadership is showing?

I think you have to ask yourself *who* he is leading before you say he's lacking.
Posted By: The OG Zaibatsu

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 05:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Moss81
It took 8 years to bring the U.S. to it's knees on W's watch, let's at least give the guy the rest of his term and then judge his performance.


Sign on Obama's desk: THE BUCK JUST PASSES BY HERE.

I just find it strange that anyone would actually approve of this message. I don't remember GWB blaming anything on Clinton...EVER. I don't remember Clinton blaming anything on Daddy Bush or Reagan. I actually don't remember Reagan blaming anything on Carter. In Obama's first 100+ days, he's blamed (and apologized for) Bush, Clinton, Daddy Bush, Reagan, Carter, Johnson, Nixon, Eisenhower, Truman, Roosevelt...and pretty much everyone else all the way back to Christopher Columbus and the Queen of Spain for sending him.
Posted By: HappyGilmore

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 06:17 PM

Quote:
no one has listed any promise he made and kept


...still waiting...
Posted By: The OG Zaibatsu

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 06:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Happy Gilmore
Quote:
no one has listed any promise he made and kept


...still waiting...


He promised to take Michelle to a Broadway play after the election. And he did at great taxpayer expense.
Posted By: edAudit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 06:39 PM

He promised to increase spending
Posted By: B_F

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 06:44 PM

Originally Posted By: fka -Z-
I just have one word for anything you want to blame Obama for:

INHERITED


Indeed, inherited from his cronies in the Democratic Party who didn't do their jobs.
Posted By: QCL

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 06:51 PM

Does anyone know if this is accurate:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/
Posted By: Snow Bunny

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 06:57 PM

^^^^^^^^ eek

QCdL - I see a rebel in the making with those lyrics wink
Posted By: QCL

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 07:06 PM

You should see her little rock hands as she rocks out smile
(And Pale, they are Rock hands not 'Hook 'em, horns)

Back to your regularly scheduled topic...
Posted By: Bobby Boucher

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 07:12 PM

Originally Posted By: QueenChop'dLiver
Back to your regularly scheduled topic...

What were we talking about?

QCL - for those of us who can't access the link above, could you summarize? Thanks!
Posted By: Sound Tactic

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 07:13 PM

Not really. I clicked on the link of his successes and I would argue that those are four he has not kept. In fact one of them Bush did for him.

I bet there is a lot of truth to the link but it depends on your perspective.
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 07:18 PM

so "truth" varies with perspective?
Posted By: Bobby Boucher

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 07:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Miscuit
so "truth" varies with perspective?

I believe so, at least that what Ms. Sotomayor tells me...
Posted By: Snow Bunny

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 07:21 PM

^^^^^
What a novel thought!
wink
Posted By: Pale Rider

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 07:21 PM

no, there must be absolutes!
Posted By: QCL

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 07:22 PM

Bobby,
I'd never used it before, but I guess that PolitiFact.com, is a site that scrutinizes the accuracy of claims made by presidential candidates.

I first heard about it during the Bush years. They are tracking 500 of Obama's campaign promises.

According to them:

The Obameter Scorecard
Promise Kept 30
Compromise 8
Promise Broken 6
Stalled 9
In the Works 64
No Action 397
Posted By: Bobby Boucher

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 07:29 PM

Originally Posted By: QueenChop'dLiver
Bobby,
I'd never used it before, but I guess that PolitiFact.com, is a site that scrutinizes the accuracy of claims made by presidential candidates.

I first heard about it during the Bush years. They are tracking 500 of Obama's campaign promises.

According to them:

The Obameter Scorecard
Promise Kept 30
Compromise 8
Promise Broken 6
Stalled 9
In the Works 64
No Action 397

I'll try to check it out later, especially since GT associated the dreaded "P" word with it. Thanks!
Posted By: Sound Tactic

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 07:52 PM

OK for example it says he ended the war with Iraq. If you remember, right up before he took the oath of office, Bush ended the war. But on the link credit is given to BO.
Posted By: buggs

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 07:53 PM

We're on it now!

Roadmap to Recovery

grin
Posted By: HappyGilmore

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 07:59 PM

why does teh Talking Heads song "We're on the road to nowhere" run thru my head every time I hear of the "road to recovery"
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 08:00 PM

oh we're on the road to "somewhere" alright!


you're not hot-natured ...are you? cool
Posted By: Pale Rider

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 08:14 PM

no, are you?
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 08:18 PM

unfortunately...i am
Posted By: Pale Rider

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 08:26 PM

:makes a note:

not sure what category to put this info though..........
Posted By: Bobby Boucher

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 08:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Miscuit
so "truth" varies with perspective?

Originally Posted By: Miscuit
Absolute Truth - Inflexible Reality
"Absolute truth" is defined as inflexible reality: fixed, invariable, unalterable facts. For example, it is a fixed, invariable, unalterable fact that there are absolutely no square circles and there are absolutely no round squares.

Sorry to go back to this, but just wanted to point something out. My son at the age of around 2 drew a shape on a piece of paper and showed it to me proudly. I said, beaming, "that is the best circle I have ever seen - it is so round and perfect!" He smirked and took the piece of paper from me, and as he was walking away he said "it ska-ware". To him, it was truly and invariably a square. The truth from my perspective, though, was that was the cr@ppiest square I'd ever seen.
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 08:31 PM

but when he grew older and learned the definition of "circle" and "square"...i bet he wouldn't agree with what he said as a 2 yr old

can we really call what his perception of that drawing was a "truth"

i don't know...i've just confused myself anyway smile
Posted By: Bobby Boucher

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 08:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Miscuit
but when he grew older and learned the definition of "circle" and "square"...i bet he wouldn't agree with what he said as a 2 yr old

can we really call what his perception of that drawing was a "truth"

i don't know...i've just confused myself anyway smile

To him, yes it was a truth. I was kind of trying to illustrate how perspective can influence how someone sees the truth, but also, and perhaps more important, that don't necessarily make it right.
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 08:42 PM

ok


back to the bushes now? laugh
Posted By: Sound Tactic

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 08:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Miscuit
but when he grew older and learned the definition of "circle" and "square"...i bet he wouldn't agree with what he said as a 2 yr old

can we really call what his perception of that drawing was a "truth"

i don't know...i've just confused myself anyway smile


OK maybe you took my words to mean that I am manipulating the information. Lets just say that four of the items he was given as successes I would say he didnt even do them. Three successes he did something that really didnt mean anything. Because of this, I am questioning the objectivity of the source.

Maybe I should have not been so nice.
Posted By: Bobby Boucher

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 08:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Miscuit
ok


back to the bushes now? laugh


whistle
Posted By: Sound Tactic

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 08:49 PM

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/about/

This is put out by a newspaper. I would say after reading this its hardly scientific, nor is it really objective. That said I went through their home page and found articles bashing and supporting both sides of the political spectrum.
Posted By: TB 12

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 08:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Green Tea
Originally Posted By: Miscuit
but when he grew older and learned the definition of "circle" and "square"...i bet he wouldn't agree with what he said as a 2 yr old

can we really call what his perception of that drawing was a "truth"

i don't know...i've just confused myself anyway smile


OK maybe you took my words to mean that I am manipulating the information. Lets just say that four of the items he was given as successes I would say he didnt even do them. Three successes he did something that really didnt mean anything. Because of this, I am questioning the objectivity of the source.

Maybe I should have not been so nice.


I'm sorry-come again? crazy
Posted By: B_F

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 08:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Bobby Boucher
Originally Posted By: Miscuit
but when he grew older and learned the definition of "circle" and "square"...i bet he wouldn't agree with what he said as a 2 yr old

can we really call what his perception of that drawing was a "truth"

i don't know...i've just confused myself anyway smile

To him, yes it was a truth. I was kind of trying to illustrate how perspective can influence how someone sees the truth, but also, and perhaps more important, that don't necessarily make it right.


No, the TRUTH was, it was not a square. Just because someone thinks an apple is an orange doesn't make that apple an orange. It's still an apple, the person is simply ignorant of the truth.
Posted By: QCL

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 09:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Green Tea
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/about/

This is put out by a newspaper. I would say after reading this its hardly scientific, nor is it really objective. That said I went through their home page and found articles bashing and supporting both sides of the political spectrum.


Thanks for posting the about page, I was looking for it. Which reminded me, I really like the truth-O-Meters too, in addition to the promise tracking that I posted above.

Some of my favorites:

"If you actually took the number of Muslims [sic] Americans, we'd be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world."
Barack Obama on Monday, June 1st, 2009 in interview with Canal Plus Television
Rated [Liar, liar] Pants on Fire

This one is interesting to me - I had thought that Steele was ranting and raving again - "President Obama will now own 60 percent of GM, and his union buddies will own almost 20 percent." Rated - True

Another good one:
CIA documents and Pelosi at odds
"We were not, I repeat, were not told that waterboarding or any of these other enhanced interrogation methods were used." Rated - FALSE

And a Half-truth example is here:
Obama's "first call (as president) to any head of state was to Mahmoud Abbas, leader of Fatah party in the Palestinian territory."
Posted By: Pale Rider

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/09/09 09:15 PM

why has none of this ^^^^^^^ been considered newsworthy?
Posted By: QCL

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 02:00 PM

The only thing news worthy is more bad news.
Posted By: Bobby Boucher

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 02:37 PM

Originally Posted By: B_F
Originally Posted By: Bobby Boucher
To him, yes it was a truth. I was kind of trying to illustrate how perspective can influence how someone sees the truth, but also, and perhaps more important, that don't necessarily make it right.


No, the TRUTH was, it was not a square. Just because someone thinks an apple is an orange doesn't make that apple an orange. It's still an apple, the person is simply ignorant of the truth.

mad B_F, so now you're calling my little boy ignorant!?! mad

(just kidding wink ) I think we all realize that it wasn't a square. I wasn't stating that someone's perspective changes THE TRUTH, but that perspective does impact one's perception of what is true. My point being that THE TRUTH should be black and white, but our various perspectives lead us to see in shades of grey - otherwise, I don't reckon we'd argue so much.

Originally Posted By: Bobby Boucher
Originally Posted By: Miscuit
so "truth" varies with perspective?

I believe so, at least that's what Ms. Sotomayor tells me...
^^^This is where the conversation began. I took Miscuit's comment to mean that she believed perspective had no place in determining what is true. I brought up Sotomayor's apparent belief that her perspective leads to better decisions, looking to start a discussion about how to reconcile those two ideas. Alas, it did not go that way and all I got out of it was the realization that my son was pretty stoopid when he was 2... frown
Posted By: Bobby Boucher

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 02:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Pale Rider
why has none of this ^^^^^^^ been considered newsworthy?
Originally Posted By: QueenChop'dLiver
The only thing news worthy is more bad news.

Unfortunately, I would consider the information above to be more bad news, yet it is still not considered newsworthy.
Posted By: *nUnZeO*

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 02:43 PM

AAHH- I've missed this smile
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 02:44 PM

Bobby...your son was not stupid at 2...he just had the mentality of a 2 yr old!

but I still think perspective has nothing to do with "the truth"
Posted By: Retired DQ

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 02:45 PM

Ahhh... that could be said of so many... whistle
Posted By: Pale Rider

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 02:53 PM

are you two tag teaming today?

look, it's all blameable on Bush!
Posted By: Retired DQ

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 03:00 PM

Finally, he gets it! laugh
Posted By: MB Guy

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 03:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Moss81
It took 8 years to bring the U.S. to it's knees on W's watch, let's at least give the guy the rest of his term and then judge his performance.


Moss, where did ye go?

I didn't see your response to my (and others') questions.

Hello????
Posted By: Bobby Boucher

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 03:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Miscuit
Bobby...your son was not stupid at 2...he just had the mentality of a 2 yr old!

Like father, like son then?

Originally Posted By: Miscuit
but I still think perspective has nothing to do with "the truth"

And I still think that it shouldn't. But IMO there is a often times a difference between "the truth" and what we see to be true. Just for giggles, let's change the above quote slightly for a different situation to illustrate better (perhaps)...
Quote:
Bobby...your son was not stupid at 22...he just had the mentality of a liberal!
Posted By: Bobby Boucher

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 03:06 PM

Originally Posted By: *nUnZeO*
AAHH- I've missed this smile

And this has missed you - where ya been?
Posted By: Truffle Royale

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 03:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Miscuit
but I still think perspective has nothing to do with "the truth"


I'm sorry. Usually I just read these but...Miscuit, you're joking, right? If not, where is this 'truth' of which you speak so that we all may know it and stop arguing about it? Perspective, ie, the way one is raised, their religion, education, etc, is all that anyone has to base 'the truth' on, isn't it?
Posted By: Snow Bunny

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 03:15 PM

But we've all learned, Truff, that the world is not black and white. There are many, many shades of gray.

Joe the Dem sees Obama's spending as Great; John the Pubbie thinks its horrible. Which is the truth? It's all in the way you look at it.



Bobby - whether they're 2 or 22 or 82, men always seem to have the mentality of a 2 year old wink
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 03:16 PM

maybe i'm confusing "truth" with "fact"?

so the way you were raised, your religion, your education, etc. would lead you to a different "truth" as to what makes a square a square? (as in BF's explanation)

hmmmm...interesting

and no...i wasn't joking
Posted By: Truffle Royale

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 03:20 PM

Ok, so we're talking 'truth' vs 'fact'. Fact is a square is a square. Perspective (back to your core beliefs) influences whether you believe what BO is preaching is the truth or not. All I'm saying is I agree with the concept of perspective influencing what one believes to be the truth.
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 03:21 PM

aren't facts the truth?
Posted By: Bobby Boucher

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 03:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Miscuit
so the way you were raised, your religion, your education, etc. would could lead you to a different "truth" as to what makes a square a square?

exactly
Posted By: *nUnZeO*

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 03:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Bobby Boucher
Originally Posted By: *nUnZeO*
AAHH- I've missed this smile

And this has missed you - where ya been?



working my little tail offf!! new job AP/AR book keeping payroll for a smaller company
Posted By: Truffle Royale

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 03:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Miscuit
aren't facts the truth?
Yes. However, just like apples are fruit but all fruit are not apples, all truths are not facts.
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 03:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Truffle Royale
Originally Posted By: Miscuit
aren't facts the truth?
Yes. However, just like apples are fruit but all fruit are not apples, all truths are not facts.


i'm not following...

you've just stated 2 truths:

1) apples are fruit
2) all fruit are not apples

i must just be dense
Posted By: Snow Bunny

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 03:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Miscuit
aren't facts the truth?



Not necesarily.

TRUTH: Earth is round (basically)

FACT (circa 1400's): Earth is flat

Basic truths don't change; facts can.
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 03:34 PM

Originally Posted By: P.B.
Originally Posted By: Miscuit
aren't facts the truth?



Not necesarily.

TRUTH: Earth is round (basically)

FACT (circa 1400's): Earth is flat

Basic truths don't change; facts can.





but i thought that was just a "theory"...

wasn't a fact until it was proven/disproven


isn't this fun?
Posted By: Snow Bunny

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 03:35 PM

......and the wheels on the bus, go round and round, round and round, round and round......

grin
Posted By: BowlingQueen

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 03:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Truffle Royale
Ok, so we're talking 'truth' vs 'fact'. Fact is a square is a square. Perspective (back to your core beliefs) influences whether you believe what BO is preaching is the truth or not. All I'm saying is I agree with the concept of perspective influencing what one believes to be the truth.


I agree with Truff.

You cannot dispute that a square is a square.....it is a fact. On the other hand, as a Christian I believe there is a God and only ONE God....that is the truth to ME based on my beliefs and upbringing. However, for those of other denominations (or those who are athiests) that is NOT the truth. Since it cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt by us human beings, I suppose, it cannot be a fact.

NOTE: NOT trying to make this about religion, just used it as an example. wink
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 03:36 PM

grin
Posted By: Truffle Royale

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 03:42 PM

Originally Posted By: P.B.
Originally Posted By: Miscuit
aren't facts the truth?



Not necesarily.

TRUTH: Earth is round (basically)

FACT (circa 1400's): Earth is flat

Basic truths don't change; facts can.





I'd say you have them switched, P.B.
But, here's what the world reknowned source Wiki says:
Truth
The meaning of the word truth extends from honesty, good faith, and sincerity in general, to agreement with fact or reality in particular. The term has no single definition about which the majority of professional philosophers and scholars agree. Various theories of truth continue to be debated. There are differing claims on such questions as what constitutes truth; how to define and identify truth; the roles that revealed and acquired knowledge play; and whether truth is subjective, relative, objective, or absolute. This article introduces the various perspectives and claims, both today and throughout history.

So, if the majority of scholars and philosophers can't agree, you can bet a bunch of bankers never will either. wink
Posted By: Bobby Boucher

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 03:46 PM

ok, but how do we know that the Wiki entry is the truth? smile
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 03:49 PM

just shoot me now!


crazy

grin
Posted By: Pale Rider

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 03:56 PM

y'all are being so serious!
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 03:57 PM

ha! me? never!

(or i try to avoid it at all costs)
Posted By: Bobby Boucher

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 03:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Miscuit
just shoot me now!


crazy

grin

Don't worry Ms B, I'm done too. That last comment was simply me being facetious(facetiousfacetious) smile
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 04:00 PM

shocked


how YOU doin'?
Posted By: straw

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 04:25 PM

I checked Snopes and there is no truth to truth.
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 04:25 PM

grin
Posted By: Retired DQ

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 04:29 PM

Snopes is not a valid source, it is run by left wing nuts.

Try again. grin
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 04:31 PM

is that left wingnuts?

or left-wing nuts?


y'all are so confusing around here!
Posted By: TheManofSteel

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 04:32 PM

Ok, perhaps my analogies will straigthen things out for all of you:

Fact - I am currently employed
Fact - My hair is brown (after grecian)
Truth - I am MAD DIESEL and Drop Dead Gorgeous HUNK
Truth - The Pittsburgh Steelers are the greatest sports franchise in history.

Do you understand the stark differences? If not then:
fact - you just don't get it
truth - you need an open-hand italian slap in the mouth

Do you agree with my facts and truth? If no then:
fact - you have no taste and need help
truth - you will get both an open-hand slap and a backhand across your cakehole when I see you.
fact - If you are a woman, you will agree once you lay eyes on me. AND THAT'S THE TRUTH!!!
Posted By: Retired DQ

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 04:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Hypocycloid
Ok, perhaps my analogies will straigthen things out for all of you:

Fact - I am currently employed
Fact - My hair is brown (after grecian)
Truth - I am MAD DIESEL and Drop Dead Gorgeous HUNK
Truth - The Pittsburgh Steelers are the greatest sports franchise in history.

Do you understand the stark differences? If not then:
fact - you just don't get it
truth - you need an open-hand italian slap in the mouth

Do you agree with my facts and truth? If no then:
fact - you have no taste and need help
truth - you will get both an open-hand slap and a backhand across your cakehole when I see you.
fact - If you are a woman, you will agree once you lay eyes on me. AND THAT'S THE TRUTH!!!


If you want the truth, PM me. I met him in person. whistle
Posted By: Miscuit

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 04:36 PM

so basically...in your example...a truth is a "matter of opinion" (from some woman that clearly must be drunk)


laugh (you know i ♥ you)
Posted By: TheManofSteel

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 04:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Deekles
Originally Posted By: Hypocycloid
Ok, perhaps my analogies will straigthen things out for all of you:

Fact - I am currently employed
Fact - My hair is brown (after grecian)
Truth - I am MAD DIESEL and Drop Dead Gorgeous HUNK
Truth - The Pittsburgh Steelers are the greatest sports franchise in history.

Do you understand the stark differences? If not then:
fact - you just don't get it
truth - you need an open-hand italian slap in the mouth

Do you agree with my facts and truth? If no then:
fact - you have no taste and need help
truth - you will get both an open-hand slap and a backhand across your cakehole when I see you.
fact - If you are a woman, you will agree once you lay eyes on me. AND THAT'S THE TRUTH!!!


If you want the truth, PM me. I met him in person. whistle


You know you thought the same too, Don't tell an untruth now. laugh

Quote:
so basically...in your example...a truth is a "matter of opinion" (from some woman that clearly must be drunk)
(you know i ♥ you)


You are compelled to. And that's a fact!!! grin
Posted By: Bobby Boucher

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 04:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Deekles
If you want the truth, PM me. I met him in person. whistle

You can't handle the truth!
Posted By: Bobby Boucher

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 04:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Miscuit
so basically...in your example...a truth is a "matter of opinion" (from some woman that clearly must be drunk)

Well...Deek certainly fits this mold whistle
Posted By: Retired DQ

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 04:58 PM

Oooooh... Bobby, you are in hot hot water now! mad

::hovers over delete key::



laugh
Posted By: MB Guy

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 04:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Deekles
Snopes is not a valid source, it is run by left wing nuts.

Try again. grin


I knew you knew the truth!
Posted By: Retired DQ

Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop - 06/10/09 05:00 PM

whistle

Truth or Fact? laugh