The French Can Keep Him

Posted By: Anonymous

The French Can Keep Him - 04/22/04 02:52 PM

From Michael "Mr. Fake-u-mentary" Moore's website:

April 21, 2004
Cannes Picks Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 911"


Friends,

I just got word that my new film, "Fahrenheit 911," has been selected by the Cannes Film Festival to premiere there in competition next month!

This is only the second time in the last 48 years that a documentary has been chosen to be in the main competition (the first being "Bowling for Columbine" in 2002) -- and, in fact, another documentary has also been chosen for this year. The non-fiction film revolution rolls on!

I am deeply honored by this announcement, considering it comes from our mortal enemy, the French.

This year's jury in Cannes is headed by Quentin Tarantino and also includes director Jerry Schatzberg, Kathleen Turner, Tilda Swinton and others.

"Fahrenheit 911" will be in theaters across the U.S. (and the rest of the world) this summer. More info, gossip and all the juicy details to follow...

Thanks everyone for your support.

Michael Moore
mmflint@aol.com
www.michaelmoore.com
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 04/22/04 02:53 PM

This just in:

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX THU APRIL 22, 2004 10:25:37 ET XXXXX

DUDE, WHERE'S YOUR WEBSITE: MICHAEL MOORE OUT-SOURCING DESIGN, SERVER TO CANADA!

Advocate Michael Moore may have released a book titled DUDE, WHERE'S MY COUNTRY?, and may have vaulted to stardom documenting worker's rights and corporate malfeasance in Flint, Michigan, but that has not stopped Moore from outsourcing his website design and servers -- to companies based in Canada!

Cannes-bound Moore, the great protector of the U.S. working class, has outsourced the design of his Web site to a foreign company in Canada, records show.

PLANK -- based in Montréal, Québec -- is the development and design company behind MichaelMoore.com.

Meanwhile, Moore's site is hosted by a foreign owned company, Webcore Labs, of Calgary, Alberta Canada. [Webcore does maintain an office in Beverly Hills, CA.]

Moore did not respond to repeated requests for comment.
Posted By: deppfan

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 04/22/04 02:56 PM

I "liked" Bowling for Columbine. It was very sad at times, but I have never been one to back away from satire, and it's very tongue in cheek. I can't speak for any of his other work...never saw Roger and Me.
Posted By: zaibatsu

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 04/22/04 03:04 PM

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I "liked" Bowling for Columbine. It was very sad at times, but I have never been one to back away from satire, and it very tongue in cheek. I can't speak for any of his other work...never saw Roger and Me.




Elena, the man is delusional; he thinks he makes "non-fiction" films. He did not consider Bowling for Columbine satire.
Posted By: deppfan

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 04/22/04 03:06 PM

For real? How could anyone not consider that satire? He must be absolutely nuts!
Posted By: zaibatsu

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 04/22/04 03:11 PM

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For real? How could anyone not consider that satire? He must be absolutely nuts!




To be fair, he does try to make it funny, but he also believes that what he makes are non-fiction films. He is far from fair or balance, everything is twisted to fit his far left leanings.
Posted By: D2Xs

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 04/22/04 03:23 PM

If I remember correctly much of "Bowling for Columbine" is staged. It's not even a documentary.
Posted By: Retired DQ

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 04/22/04 03:26 PM

I'm just wondering why his post is here at all...
Posted By: Skunk Boy

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 04/22/04 03:45 PM

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If I remember correctly much of "Bowling for Columbine" is staged. It's not even a documentary.



According to IMDb.com, the only thing "staged" is the bank/gun scene. He did get a gun from the bank, but it took a few days and was not immediate.
Posted By: Jokerman

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 04/22/04 03:55 PM

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I'm just wondering why his post is here at all...




Whose post?
Posted By: Pippi

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 04/22/04 03:56 PM

Ugh, I don't like him, he leaves a bad taste in my mouth..
Posted By: Pale Rider

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 04/22/04 03:57 PM

My father was one of those guys in Flint that got beaten up by the GM thugs back in the 30's. Notwithstanding that fact, Moore is one of the leaders of the "hate America" crowd. He is a demogogue and elitist. The title of this thread says it all, I wish some of these people that threaten to leave the country would actually do it, just one of them !
Posted By: Retired DQ

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 04/22/04 04:13 PM

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I'm just wondering why his post is here at all...




Whose post?




The first two anon posts... it just seemed like an odd post to me for this website.
Posted By: Jokerman

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 04/22/04 04:14 PM

Right on, Don. Moore is a socialist, and blames gun deaths in America on a "lack" of social welfare programs and US military intervention overseas (specifically, in Bowling..., he blames the intervention in Yugoslavia). He is as far left as they come, and a very hateful person, at that.
Posted By: Jokerman

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 04/22/04 04:26 PM

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I'm just wondering why his post is here at all...




Whose post?




The first two anon posts... it just seemed like an odd post to me for this website.




Doesn't seem any more strange to me than discussing same sex marriage or any of a number of topics in the watercooler. Isn't that the point of the forum?
Posted By: Retired DQ

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 04/22/04 04:28 PM

I guess...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The French Can Keep Him *Update* - 05/05/04 10:22 PM

Moore says Disney is blocking release of his movie

Heaven forbid Disney do the right thing and block what must be a typical hatchet job from Mr. Moore at least until after the election. Moore's lies should not be allowed to affect this election.
Posted By: Fork Ate Spoon

Re: The French Can Keep Him *Update* - 05/05/04 10:40 PM

Speaking of Disney, I heard a report that Ron Jeremy was spotted signing autographs for little kids at good ol' Disney Land. How bout them apples.
Posted By: Jokerman

Re: The French Can Keep Him *Update* - 05/05/04 10:44 PM

I did a google search to figure out who Ron Jeremy was. I think I'll be in trouble tomorrow from the IT police.

I saw today where Disney said that they had said all along they were not going to allow this to be distributed by one of their companies, and someone speculted that Mr. Moore was claiming "censorship" to boost his propaganda film's chances at Cannes. (Like it needs any help from that crowd.)
Posted By: zaibatsu

Re: The French Can Keep Him *Update* - 05/05/04 10:48 PM

Censorship? Mr. Moore knows nothing about free enterprise. He may be in for the fight of his life if the Disney owned company has the distribution rights and isn't going to distribute it.
Posted By: DawgFan

Re: The French Can Keep Him *Update* - 05/06/04 01:47 PM

Now here's something I'm sick of. People claiming censorship when there is none. If the government shuts you up, that's censorship. Businesses aren't going to put out propaganda that is going to cause them to lose money. All the Constitution guarantees is that the government can't shut you up.
Posted By: Inquisitor / Sommelier Omega

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 05/06/04 07:53 PM

Someone more literate should be able to answer this question. From what I recall, the title of Mr. Moore’s most recent movie is a take off on “Fahrenheit 451”. Most of what Mr. Moore proposes in his other works actually represents a much more restrictive form of government to cure our social ills. Is this irony on his part, or simply a small mind?
Posted By: Sinatra Fan

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 05/06/04 09:16 PM

If I were Ray Bradbury (author of "Fahrenheit 451"), I would not be happy with Mr. Moore. I don't think Moore is as acquainted with irony as he is with vitriol. Irony gives you a sly punch in the ribs. His screeds are a whap upside the head. Which, in my mind at least, proves what I have often suspected: the cogency of one's argument is inversely proportional to the decibel level at which it is expressed.

I wish Mr. Moore would outsource himself--and take Molly Ivins with him.
Posted By: Jokerman

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 05/06/04 09:23 PM

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Someone more literate should be able to answer this question. From what I recall, the title of Mr. Moore’s most recent movie is a take off on “Fahrenheit 451”. Most of what Mr. Moore proposes in his other works actually represents a much more restrictive form of government to cure our social ills. Is this irony on his part, or simply a small mind?




I don't think it's irony, but maybe a small mind systemic of the reactionary left. The leftists always want to label "conservatives" (by which I mean individuals who believe that a government that does less is preferable to one that does more, support traditional values and morality, support a strong national defense, etc.) as fascists. Well, when you get right down to it, most fascist regimes in history have also been socialist. But don't try to confuse a leftist with the facts.
Posted By: Inquisitor / Sommelier Omega

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 05/06/04 09:40 PM

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If I were Ray Bradbury (author of "Fahrenheit 451"), I would not be happy with Mr. Moore. I don't think Moore is as acquainted with irony as he is with vitriol. Irony gives you a sly punch in the ribs. His screeds are a whap upside the head. Which, in my mind at least, proves what I have often suspected: the cogency of one's argument is inversely proportional to the decibel level at which it is expressed.

I wish Mr. Moore would outsource himself--and take Molly Ivins with him.




The reference to irony was intended to be “tongue in cheek”. Do you think that perhaps Mr. Moore believes himself to be our libertarian savior? Maybe he is all about small government. Maybe he is just about small people who lash out without reason or forethought. That may be irony.
Posted By: Sinatra Fan

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 05/06/04 09:52 PM

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If I were Ray Bradbury (author of "Fahrenheit 451"), I would not be happy with Mr. Moore. I don't think Moore is as acquainted with irony as he is with vitriol. Irony gives you a sly punch in the ribs. His screeds are a whap upside the head. Which, in my mind at least, proves what I have often suspected: the cogency of one's argument is inversely proportional to the decibel level at which it is expressed.

I wish Mr. Moore would outsource himself--and take Molly Ivins with him.




The reference to irony was intended to be “tongue in cheek”. Do you think that perhaps Mr. Moore believes himself to be our libertarian savior? Maybe he is all about small government. Maybe he is just about small people who lash out without reason or forethought. That may be irony.




If it's irony you're after, I think that in this situation, Moore is definitely less.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The French Can Keep Him *Update* - 05/06/04 10:28 PM

Michael Moore is 2000 miles left of left.

He is a genious when it comes to marketing - he is actually promoting his movie free of charge by creating this storm in a tea cup.

If Disney does not want to release it, he can take it to anyone who will - no one is stopping him from doing so, but no - milk as much promotion as you can Mooooooooo.

Michael Mooooo needs to be treated for BSE - or be part of a pyramid in some jail somewhere
Posted By: zaibatsu

Re: The French Can Keep Him *Update* - 05/06/04 11:26 PM

Questions:

Has Michael Moore ever actually made a movie? It seems that he just goes around and films himself and then edits it to suit his prejudices and his narrative.

Has Michael Moore actually ever worked a day in his life?

What was Michael Moore's response to 911? Seems that his response was to release a fake-u-mentary about the dangers of guns of any kind. Seems he'd have been more timely if he'd made a movie about the dangers of airliners in the hands of extremist Muslims. But I guess that would not fit his prejudices.
Posted By: rlcarey

Re: The French Can Keep Him *Update* - 05/06/04 11:34 PM

Oh - but lumping poor Molly Ivans into the same group - now even she is not that left.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 05/07/04 01:09 AM

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Do you think that perhaps Mr. Moore believes himself to be our libertarian savior? Maybe he is all about small government.




No, unfortunately, Moore is not a libertarian by any stretch of the word, nor is he an advocate for small government. On the contrary, Moore is a died-in-the-wool Hollywood elitist liberal, who knows what's best for the middle-class common person. You should not drive an SUV, but please understand that as an elitist, he is required to have a fleet of SUVs, limos, and drivers.
Posted By: Jokerman

Re: The French Can Keep Him *Update* - 05/07/04 01:08 PM

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Oh - but lumping poor Molly Ivans into the same group - now even she is not that left.




What is she, then? (Besides obnoxious.)
Posted By: rlcarey

Re: The French Can Keep Him *Update* - 05/07/04 01:13 PM

Well - OK,you got me there, but you have to admit we do need varying opinions on the political direction of this country, otherwise we might as well live a dictatorship. As long as there are people and freedom, we should celebrate the fact that even people that we disagree with have the freedom to express their views. The fact that we disagree, or even disagree with their tactics, is a freedom in itself than many people are not allowed.
Posted By: Sinatra Fan

Re: The French Can Keep Him *Update* - 05/07/04 01:19 PM

Randy, I fully agree with that statement. That's why I said I wish Moore would leave; I would never force him to leave.

People like him are so intransigent in their stance and so unwilling to engage in meaningful debate that you wonder if they actually contribute anything to the public discourse. It's difficult to have a battle of wits with someone who's unarmed.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 05/07/04 01:28 PM

Fahrenheit 451 is an anti-censorship book. It is perfectly logical, and even predictable, for a liberal like Moore to support civil liberties like free speech. Anyone that doesn't support the First Amendment isn't much of a liberal.
Posted By: Jokerman

Re: The French Can Keep Him *Update* - 05/07/04 01:33 PM

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...you have to admit we do need varying opinions on the political direction of this country...




I would never say otherwise. But identifying Mr. Moore's "films" as propaganda does not infringe on his right to produce them. (And neither does Disney's unwillingness to be associated with them.)
Posted By: zaibatsu

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 05/07/04 01:37 PM

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Fahrenheit 451 is an anti-censorship book. It is perfectly logical, and even predictable, for a liberal like Moore to support civil liberties like free speech. Anyone that doesn't support the First Amendment isn't much of a liberal.




What does being liberal and free speech have to do with one another? They believe in free speech as they define it. Didn't liberals coin the phrase "hate speech." And haven't they lobbied to outlaw it. Look at Canada, religious broadcasters who don't believe that homosexuality is smiled-upon by the God they worship can't even say that in Canada. Liberals in Canada have outlawed that as hate speech. So, again, I do not understand your comment. I did not think "free speech" was a liberal or conservative concept.

As an aside, we must not mistake free speech for unfettered access to speech distribution systems or freedom to put out whatever you please through those systems.
Posted By: DawgFan

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 05/07/04 01:44 PM

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As an aside, we must not mistake free speech for unfettered access to speech distribution systems or freedom to put out whatever you please through those systems.




Amen!
Posted By: Inquisitor / Sommelier Omega

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 05/07/04 02:42 PM

I don’t favor a constitutional amendment banning flag burning.
If you burn a flag in front of me, I may park my car on top of you.

I don’t own an SUV because I abhor the waste.
You, however, can drive whatever you want.

I will go to all lengths to protect the right of free speech.
March down my street in white hooded robes and I will throw bricks.

Mr. Moore can produce whatever he wants. His rights are worth fighting for.
His wrongs are a matter that can be dealt with monetarily.
I don’t have to buy anything from whoever sponsors his work.

On a side note, have you ever wondered why conservatives can’t figure out how to boycott?
Posted By: zaibatsu

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 05/07/04 03:00 PM

Here is my thought on this:

I will go to all lengths to protect the right of free speech.
March down my street in white hooded robes and I will ignore you.


If the KKK did not get protesters and press every time they marched, maybe they would stop. (Just send someone from the FBI to take pictures of them when they take their hoods off and keep them in a file somewhere. You never know when it will come in handy. )
Posted By: Inquisitor / Sommelier Omega

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 05/07/04 03:13 PM

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Here is my thought on this:

I will go to all lengths to protect the right of free speech.
March down my street in white hooded robes and I will ignore you.


If the KKK did not get protesters and press every time they marched, maybe they would stop. (Just send someone from the FBI to take pictures of them when they take their hoods off and keep them in a file somewhere. You never know when it will come in handy. )




I understand. At this point, the Klan is not a protected class. I would not dignify the march with a protest. I may not slow down at the barricade, but I would not protest. I lump Louis Farrakhan in the same group.

I was taught in Sunday school not to hate people. I can't help myself but to hate the hate.
Posted By: zaibatsu

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 06/09/04 07:41 PM

Below the Straka article is Michael Moore's arrogant response.

By Mike Straka (FOX News)
Michael Moore's publicity machine is at it again.


His "controversial" documentary "Fahrenheit 911" (search) won the (GASP) Palme d' Or at the annual gluttonfest Cannes Film Festival, where the Hollywood elite get to rub shoulders with their loving French counterparts — who, by the way, like to limit the number of American movies that are allowed into their country to "protect" the French film industry. Yet we flock there nonetheless.

Moore's theories on Big Bad America are so hypocritical I wish I didn't have to mention his name in my column. Look, "Bowling For Columbine" was a very well-made documentary, whether you agree with its message or not. And I'm pretty certain so is "Fahrenheit."

What Grrrs me is how Moore loves to point out how Big Bad America is nothing but a giant money machine, willing to sacrifice our childrens' lives to our "innocent" gun-toting killers because the gun industry stands to lose money with regulation. He then confronts Charlton Heston and Dick Clark and tries to invoke either an apology from them or to get them to help change America to match his view of how the country would be better. He goes on to sing the praises of Canada's non-violent society (anyone for a nice game of kick-the-crap-out-of-each- other — eh hum — I mean hockey?).

But one need only to look at the title of both of his "films" — which are at least partially shot on Sony digital cameras, actually — to see that he is profiting more than anybody else from the tragedies that have befallen our country. And he stands to profit more with his latest. Check out this quote from the "Crusader of the Little Man" Moore, on his booed Oscar speech two years ago:

"When everyone was saying that any person who criticized America at a time of war would be shunned and boycotted and ignored and vilified, the sales of my books and movies went through the roof."

Gee Michael, I'm so glad our nation's tragedies are so good for your career. Did you give any of that profit to the families of the kids who were killed at Columbine? Will you be donating money to 9-11 memorials or families?

Or are they just convenient, headline-grabbing titles for your own money making machine?

Hey, Michael, you have every right to make money. That's part of the freedom we're all privileged to have thanks to the thousands of lives sacrificed in the name of the United States of America. But let's call a spade a spade. We're not all "stupid white men," and neither are you.

Michael Moore's Response ... Grrr!

"A significant portion of the proceeds of "Fahrenheit 9/11" will go toward convincing every thinking American to turn off the Fox News Channel. This will be my contribution to making America a better place. I hope they enjoy this year, their last year with actual viewers." — Michael Moore

Now that statement is enough to make any "thinking" American go Grrr! Thanks for your response. Good luck with your film.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 06/09/04 09:49 PM

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As an aside, we must not mistake free speech for unfettered access to speech distribution systems or freedom to put out whatever you please through those systems.

I disagree, "free speech" is just that. Free. We can't dictate what will be "free speech" or how it will be communicated. It's contradicting.
Posted By: Tisa

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 06/09/04 09:52 PM

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I disagree, "free speech" is just that. Free. We can't dictate what will be "free speech" or how it will be communicated. It's contradicting.




On the contrary - "free speech" does not include the freedom to "yell 'Fire!' in a crowded theater."
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 06/09/04 09:55 PM

I wouldn't consider that to be free speech. That would be lack of common sense and manners, unless of course there was a fire!
Posted By: Jokerman

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 06/09/04 09:56 PM

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..."free speech" is just that. Free. We can't dictate what will be "free speech" or how it will be communicated. It's contradicting.




I think the author is saying that "your" right to speak freely is not an obligation for "me" to print, broadcast, or distribute your speech.
Posted By: zaibatsu

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 06/09/04 10:05 PM

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I wouldn't consider that to be free speech. That would be lack of common sense and manners, unless of course there was a fire!




So, you would allow free speech so long as it is with common sense and with manners. Well, there goes everything Michael Moore has to say!
Posted By: D2Xs

Re: The French Can Keep Him - 06/09/04 10:06 PM

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I wouldn't consider that to be free speech. That would be lack of common sense and manners, unless of course there was a fire!




So, you would allow free speech so long as it is with common sense and with manners. Well, there goes everything Michael Moore has to say!