what's wrong with a satis. rating?

Posted By: Trees

what's wrong with a satis. rating? - 12/23/09 03:00 PM

We have received an outstanding for as long as I can remember. Then, someone said to look at the work going into getting this rating versus the rewards. And, to find out what downsides there are if we received a satisfactory rather than an outstanding. Comments welcome!!
Posted By: Pale Rider

Re: what's wrong with a satis. rating? - 12/23/09 03:12 PM

There are no substantial regulatory implications between sat and Outst similar to the enforcement possibilities betweem sat and NTI.
Posted By: Kelsey D

Re: what's wrong with a satis. rating? - 12/23/09 03:15 PM

We've received satisfactory ratings for as long as I can remember. When I became the CRA Officer in 2005, the expectation was that I maintain the satisfactory rating, not improve it to an outstanding. Since I've never received an outstanding, I'm not sure what I missing out on. Bragging rights, for sure. It's a struggle for me, someone who strives for perfection, to settle for anything less. But I guess that's what you have to do when you wear so many hats.
Posted By: Bullseye

Re: what's wrong with a satis. rating? - 12/23/09 03:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Kelsey D
We've received satisfactory ratings for as long as I can remember. When I became the CRA Officer in 2005, the expectation was that I maintain the satisfactory rating, not improve it to an outstanding. Since I've never received an outstanding, I'm not sure what I missing out on. Bragging rights, for sure. It's a struggle for me, someone who strives for perfection, to settle for anything less. But I guess that's what you have to do when you wear so many hats.


Ditto here!
Posted By: Kathleen O. Blanchard

Re: what's wrong with a satis. rating? - 12/23/09 03:26 PM

There is no actual benefit to an outstanding benefit to outstanding outside of bragging rights, possible use as a sales tool for certain organizations. Regulatorily speaking it bestows no added "rights".

Many banks choose to take satisfactory, because of the added expense without payback of an outstanding, and the potential negative news of moving from an outstanding to a satisfactory.

A satisfactory is just great!
Posted By: Len S

Re: what's wrong with a satis. rating? - 12/23/09 05:38 PM

I haven't had time to check this out but I believe a benefit of an outstanding performance rating is a longer time interval between CRA exams.
Posted By: Pale Rider

Re: what's wrong with a satis. rating? - 12/23/09 06:09 PM

That is significant Len! With 11 legal vehicles up until last year, we are in constant exam mode, so it's hard to determine what kind of interval we get.......shoot, they have permanent offices onsite....
Posted By: Kathleen O. Blanchard

Re: what's wrong with a satis. rating? - 12/24/09 03:21 AM

GLBA mandated cycles for small banks with satisfactory and outstanding ratings.

Here is the OCC statement on exam cycles:

"The OCC’s CRA examination cycle is based on the asset size of the bank. All banks with assets over $250 million are on a risk-based cycle in which examinations are ordinarily started 36 months after the close of the last CRA examination. Banks with total assets of $250 million or less are on a different examination cycle, as mandated by the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act (GLBA). The GLBA-mandated examination cycle requires the OCC to examine a bank of this size that has a “satisfactory” rating no sooner than 48 months after the close of its last CRA examination, and if it has an “outstanding” CRA rating, no sooner than 60 months after the close of its last CRA examination."

I have seen small banks with satisfactory ratings go 7 years between examinations.
Posted By: Kathleen O. Blanchard

Re: what's wrong with a satis. rating? - 12/24/09 03:24 AM

Here is the FED Comment, same thing on GLBA requirements:

Examination Cycles.

"Under the Act, any insured depository institution with $250 million or less in aggregate assets would be subject to routine CRA examinations as follows:

* on a 5-year cycle, if the institution received an “outstanding” rating at its most recent CRA examination; or
* on a 4-year cycle, if the institution received a “satisfactory” rating at its most recent CRA examination.

The Federal banking agencies may conduct non-routine examinations for reasonable cause in such circumstances as they deem appropriate.

Note: Other than changes indicated above, CRA examination cycles remain unchanged. "
Posted By: Trees

Re: what's wrong with a satis. rating? - 12/28/09 03:27 PM

Hmmm. We are a Fed bank, (not OCC OTS, etc.) and are very strong. We seem be be examined every other year for CRA.....and that's with an outstanding rating.
Posted By: Kathleen O. Blanchard

Re: what's wrong with a satis. rating? - 12/28/09 03:31 PM

The GLBA rules apply to all small banks, not just OCC/OTS...those are just the two that put the info easily available on their website. If you have assets > $250 million, the standard is 3 years but can be less or a bit more.