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#1662369 - 02/08/12 09:59 PM
Re: Obamacare and religious organizations
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Why is the morning after pill medical treatment? So then what do you call the act the night before?
Should we have to pay for that too? Sometimes the "act" being treated for is called "rape". The "morning after" pill is often recommended by doctors and offered to victims of rape. And the drug is very expensive if not covered by health insurance. Yes, I do realize it's not the only use for this medication. And for the record, on a personal level, I'm very against the use of this medication. I am Catholic. Also, hormone-based medications like birth control pills are often also used to treat other medical issues. And I know lots of women who have used BCPills for non-contraceptive reasons and have had to pay exorbitant monthly drug costs because their insurance simply would not cover the drugs, even though it wasn't to prevent pregnancy and even though the doctor diagnosed a medical condition for which the hormonal treatment was prescribed. Meanwhile, interestingly, Viagra *is* covered by most insurance for all men... even if there is no diagnosed erectile dysfunction. I find that very surprising.
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#1662387 - 02/08/12 10:05 PM
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All the more reason people should be able to choose the insurance they would like to buy.
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#1662398 - 02/08/12 10:34 PM
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the morning after pill isn't the same as the abortion pill. The morning after pill wont cause an abortion or miscarriage. I didn't refer to any specific pill, I referred to abortifacients, which are, in fact, required to be covered by this regulation. LOL - we're comparing a law requiring a faith-based organization to pay for an abortifacient to a law preventing a "faith-based" orgnization from murdering a human being. Kind of through-the-looking-glass. And yet, in an odd way, maybe not. After all, the intent of an abortifacient is, in fact, murder. The difference between the two laws, of course, being that of requiring murder as opposed to preventing murder. That's why I think it's through the looking glass. (Everything is backwards and opposite.)
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#1662414 - 02/08/12 10:42 PM
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another reason not to have religious exemptions at all. The pope shouldn't have veto power. And the Pope doesn't have a veto power. Only over Catholic organizations. You and I are free to buy these products and services all we want. Just not from Catholic organizations. When does a religious organization stop being religious? What if the government said that an organization cannot demand that people who want to join the organization believe in what the organization does? Say a Muslim organization must allow Jews or Christians to join. Would that not prevent Muslims from freely associating with other Muslims?
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#1662416 - 02/08/12 10:45 PM
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Why is the morning after pill medical treatment? So then what do you call the act the night before?
Should we have to pay for that too? Sometimes the "act" being treated for is called "rape". The "morning after" pill is often recommended by doctors and offered to victims of rape. And the drug is very expensive if not covered by health insurance. Yes, I do realize it's not the only use for this medication. And for the record, on a personal level, I'm very against the use of this medication. I am Catholic. Also, hormone-based medications like birth control pills are often also used to treat other medical issues. And I know lots of women who have used BCPills for non-contraceptive reasons and have had to pay exorbitant monthly drug costs because their insurance simply would not cover the drugs, even though it wasn't to prevent pregnancy and even though the doctor diagnosed a medical condition for which the hormonal treatment was prescribed. Meanwhile, interestingly, Viagra *is* covered by most insurance for all men... even if there is no diagnosed erectile dysfunction. I find that very surprising. The rape argument is weak as 99% of abortions are not due to rape. I agree with you on the birth control pills being used for many other reasons, but again, 90% or people will have access to insurance plans that cover this, including those that work for Catholic institutions. They would simply buy an individual policy and be eligible for subsidies from the government. As for the ED being covered, I agree 100% that it is odd. Although ED drugs don't raise the moral issue that birth control and abortion drugs do.
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#1662437 - 02/09/12 12:09 AM
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but for the 1% that rape is applicable, that is a major issue
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#1662493 - 02/09/12 01:55 PM
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but for the 1% that rape is applicable, that is a major issue perhaps this is why it was covered in Romneycare in MA, but it is another position the dems will be able to neutralize Romney if he is the candidate.
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#1662703 - 02/09/12 05:20 PM
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Romney vetoed the bill in MA that required religious-affiliated groups to provide this coverage.
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#1663263 - 02/10/12 03:11 PM
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'So unions get mountains of Obamacare waivers, but they can't budge for religious organizations? Creepy. '-@politicalmath :Like:
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#1663306 - 02/10/12 03:33 PM
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...EditorialPage_hEven worse than the financial impact is the breach of faith represented by Ms. Sebelius's decision. Her notion of an "appropriate balance" between religious freedom and "increasing access" to "important preventive services" stands the First Amendment on its head. Cardinal Wuerl is the archbishop of Washington, D.C. Mr. Colson is the founder of Prison Fellowship and the Colson Center for Christian Worldview. Rabbi Soloveichik is director of the Straus Center for Torah and Western Thought at Yeshiva University and associate rabbi at Congregation Kehilath Jeshurun in Manhattan.
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#1663434 - 02/10/12 05:15 PM
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Even worse than the financial impact is the breach of faith represented by Ms. Sebelius's decision. Her notion of an "appropriate balance" between religious freedom and "increasing access" to "important preventive services" stands the First Amendment on its head. Interesting choice of words. 
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#1663467 - 02/10/12 05:44 PM
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Just because insurance covers a service, doesn't mean anyone is forced to use the service, does it?
I'd be interested to know whether this insurance also covers tubal ligation and vasectomies. If so, why isn't that being protested?
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#1663483 - 02/10/12 05:48 PM
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The change would allow religious organizations to refuse to cover contraceptive care. It would also require insurers to offer a plan that does not include contraceptive care in their contracts with nonprofit religious groups. But the insurers would be required to make contraception available free of charge to women anyway. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/.../#ixzz1m0JgdHF5What?
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#1663488 - 02/10/12 05:51 PM
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The health care system will not cost anything it will save money.
These are not the droids we are looking for.
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#1663493 - 02/10/12 05:53 PM
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"But supporters defended the intent of the policy -- to make sure women at all income levels have access to birth control no matter where they work. " Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/.../#ixzz1m0KSpO2YWHY is this something that government is involved in?
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#1663502 - 02/10/12 05:59 PM
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it is cheaper to provide B.C. than to pay for the child into adulthood.
Sorry just my cynical mind at work.
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#1663509 - 02/10/12 06:02 PM
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Then just pass a law and make them free for everyone. Keep employers and insurors out of it. Give all eligible women a BC card (rather like an EBT card) to pay it with each and every month if the gov't feels strongly that it is in the countries' best interest to supply this.
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#1663524 - 02/10/12 06:11 PM
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it is cheaper to provide B.C. than to pay for the child into adulthood.
Sorry just my cynical mind at work. We have bantered around that one at home ourselves... sat to admit, but...
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#1663525 - 02/10/12 06:25 PM
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Why does the President think he has the constitutional right to tell insurance companies what kind of products and services they must offer, and also tell them they cannot charge anything for the product or service?
We have joined Alice through the looking glass.
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#1663528 - 02/10/12 06:14 PM
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Why does the President think he has the constitutional right to tell insurance companies what kind of products and services they must offer, and also tell them they cannot charge anything for the product or service?
We have joined Alice through the looking glass. Why not he got away with it in the banking industry including price.
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#1663537 - 02/10/12 06:19 PM
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Our dear President is simply not thinking clearly! He could have an entirely new BC Czar with her own department! Hire a bunch of folks to take BC pills to everyones homes every day and watch them take it! Then they could be sure to enforce government policy AND create new jobs!
(sarcasm, in case you weren't sure)
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