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#1962298 - 09/16/14 06:25 PM
Re: Scotland
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Anything for Wales' patron saint? Or do they have one? It's Saint David, but what does that have to do with their flag?
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#1962301 - 09/16/14 06:26 PM
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I thought i read where the patron saint of each of the 4 was represented on their flag...but that could be way off.
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#1962304 - 09/16/14 06:27 PM
Re: Scotland
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I thought i read where the patron saint of each of the 4 was represented on their flag...but that could be way off. That has always been my understanding as well.
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#1962305 - 09/16/14 06:27 PM
Re: Scotland
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I believe ed was making a pun on Jack. And yes, the Union Jack has St Andrew's saltire, which is white on blue. It also has the Fitzgerald saltire, red on white, which the English have been pretending is St. Patrick's saltire. The third part is St George's cross. This post also made me think that.....isn't St. George the English patron saint, St. Patrick the Irish, and St. Andrew that of Scotland?
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#1962308 - 09/16/14 06:30 PM
Re: Scotland
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I thought i read where the patron saint of each of the 4 was represented on their flag...but that could be way off. The Union Jack only represents England, Scotland and Ireland. The Welsh flag (a red dragon on a white and green background) has no part in the Union Jack, and neither does the flag of St. David (which is black and gold.)
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#1962311 - 09/16/14 06:31 PM
Re: Scotland
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Hmmm....don't England, Scotland, and Wales together make up "Great Britain", then if you add Northern Ireland, you get "the United Kingdom"?
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#1962313 - 09/16/14 06:34 PM
Re: Scotland
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So....do they keep the blue and white? I'm sure that is the burning question in parliment right now!
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#1962317 - 09/16/14 06:40 PM
Re: Scotland
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Hmmm....don't England, Scotland, and Wales together make up "Great Britain", then if you add Northern Ireland, you get "the United Kingdom"? I believe that's right, as the complete name is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. My Scottish co-worker (she lived there the first 25 of her 50 years) says her family is all voting for independence.
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#1962318 - 09/16/14 06:41 PM
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I guess i just don't understand the grouping of England, Scotland, and (Northern) Ireland (but no Wales) under the Union Jack. Just curious.
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#1962321 - 09/16/14 06:45 PM
Re: Scotland
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According to the Union Jack's Wikipedia page: Wales had no explicit recognition in the Union Jack as it had been a part of the Kingdom of England since being annexed by Edward I of England in 1282 and its full integration by the Laws in Wales Acts 1535–1542, and was therefore represented by the flag of England.
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#1962325 - 09/16/14 06:47 PM
Re: Scotland
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I thought i read where the patron saint of each of the 4 was represented on their flag...but that could be way off. That has always been my understanding as well. CBS Sunday Morning said so this week, so it must be true.
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#1962327 - 09/16/14 06:49 PM
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According to the Union Jack's Wikipedia page: Wales had no explicit recognition in the Union Jack as it had been a part of the Kingdom of England since being annexed by Edward I of England in 1282 and its full integration by the Laws in Wales Acts 1535–1542, and was therefore represented by the flag of England. That explains it well. Thanks for that info.
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#1962330 - 09/16/14 06:50 PM
Re: Scotland
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Beaten down by The Man! Poor oppressed Welsh.
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#1962332 - 09/16/14 06:51 PM
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RR Jen, Did they explain how the gold cross on a black background (St. David's flag) is incorporated into the Union Jack?
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#1962335 - 09/16/14 06:53 PM
Re: Scotland
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RR Jen, Did they explain how the gold cross on a black background (St. David's flag) is incorporated into the Union Jack? Its hidden under the other ones?
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#1962340 - 09/16/14 06:54 PM
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Portions of this discussion are available on the CD entitled "The Ronettes Sing British Heraldry"
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#1962347 - 09/16/14 07:01 PM
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It also appears that, due to the loss of Scotland, Great Britain will be henceforth known as Pretty Good Britain.
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#1962348 - 09/16/14 07:03 PM
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It also appears that, due to the loss of Scotland, Great Britain will be henceforth known as Pretty Good Britain. LMBacksideO!!!
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#1962352 - 09/16/14 07:09 PM
Re: Scotland
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I believe ed was making a pun on Jack. And yes, the Union Jack has St Andrew's saltire, which is white on blue. It also has the Fitzgerald saltire, red on white, which the English have been pretending is St. Patrick's saltire. The third part is St George's cross. Puns are not as funny while in the mist of a BSA validation and there is an anti-drinking rule in this bank.
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#1962356 - 09/16/14 07:14 PM
Re: Scotland
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I believe ed was making a pun on Jack. And yes, the Union Jack has St Andrew's saltire, which is white on blue. It also has the Fitzgerald saltire, red on white, which the English have been pretending is St. Patrick's saltire. The third part is St George's cross. Puns are not as funny while in the mist of a BSA validation and there is an anti-drinking rule in this bank. Our president and CEO still has a liquor cabinet in his office. Strangely, they seem to object the idea of one in mine however.
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