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#386894 - 08/02/05 04:35 PM
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In HBP, when Harry was trying to get Slughorn's memory down in Hagrid's hut, they drank to elf made wine. Have we met any elf's yet in any on the books? Would they be on our side or LV?
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#386898 - 08/02/05 08:37 PM
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Hey! this is my first post! One thing i wanted to note, that when Rowling gave the desc. of the MoM, she never said ANYWHERE that it was a definite description of the HBP; she was just giving us a window into part of the text of the book, not a concrete example of who the HBP would be. I don't think Rowling would ever make it THAT easy for her readers to figure out an important character's identity - you have to read the books for yourselves to figure stuff out! So, i think Snape is definitely who we're talking about here.
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#386900 - 08/02/05 08:51 PM
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#386902 - 08/02/05 08:59 PM
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OK, now I'm confused. What description of the MoM does Rowling give and why would it affect our perception of the HBP? Did I miss something important? If you mean the description she gives in book 6 of the new MoM (lion-like, etc.), I'm not sure how that ties across to Harry's potions book?
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#386904 - 08/03/05 01:35 AM
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im wondering about the bloody baron... why is he covered in blood and why can he control peeves. I was also wondering if what Dumbledore said at the feast in the 1st book is an anagram... Nitwit,Blubber,Oddment,Tweak..? Curious on everyone's suggestions.
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#386905 - 08/03/05 01:40 AM
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Whoops.. forgot to mention some other poinys i noticed in the first book too..I noticed Blaise Zabini is mentioned and is part of the Slug Club in #6, Im wonding if this is somehow important?? Also, on pg.128 in SS Dumbledore says, after singing the school song,"Ah, music, a magic beyond all we do here!" One last thing- in the book SS HP mentions that he feels like Snape can read minds but it isn't later until we find out he actually can!! Again, just dropping some things i noticed and wondering about everyone's thoughts.
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#386907 - 08/03/05 01:12 PM
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Harry did register it. At the funeral in book 6, someone mentions something about "saying a few words" and Harry flashes back to that first feast in SS when DD's "idea of a few words was..."
Maybe that's the clue we've been missing?
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#386908 - 08/03/05 03:38 PM
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Do you think Aunt Petunia will play any role in #7?
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#386909 - 08/03/05 04:01 PM
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I think Petunia has a considerable role that we haven't been shown yet. When they almost threw Harry out, DD sent P a nasty letter reminding her of a promise she'd made. Do you think he had her make an unbreakable vow when H was a baby?
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#386910 - 08/03/05 04:41 PM
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oooohhhhh good call Becca. i never thought of that, but it would make a lot of sense that she took such a vow. i mean if it wasn't for that they would have thrown him out years ago... i think there is a lot more to good ole petunia...
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#386911 - 08/03/05 04:43 PM
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it is interesting that harry does recall DD's words from SS, though i don't know it means anything or not... but i will say that JK tends to mean something if it is mentioned more than once, even if it seems like it's random.
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#386912 - 08/03/05 05:36 PM
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For those of you wondering if DD is really dead, here is a web site you should check out. Dumbledore is not dead Several theories on what happened to Dumbledore and what will happen next.
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#386913 - 08/03/05 05:46 PM
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and all this time I thought DD stood for Daisy Duke ? ?
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#386914 - 08/03/05 06:20 PM
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What a great site, ZD! I'll definitely have to do some reading on there from home tonight.
Somewhere earlier in this thread it was mentioned that 6 is the only book not to have begun on Privet Drive - that's not true. Book 4 (GoF) begins in the Riddle House in Little Hangleton. That's where we meet Frank Byce (the old gardener) and LV kills him. JKR goes into great detail about the house's history and how no family has lived in it very long since the murders because the house "has an odd feeling" to it, but that "some wealthy gentleman keeps it empty now for tax reasons." LV made his horcruxes out of personal trophies and hid them in places of personal significance. What are the odds that the HOUSE is our missing horcrux, or at the very least is harboring it?
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#386915 - 08/03/05 08:13 PM
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Book 4 (GoF) begins in the Riddle House in Little Hangleton. That's where we meet Frank Byce (the old gardener) and LV kills him. JKR goes into great detail about the house's history and how no family has lived in it very long since the murders because the house "has an odd feeling" to it, but that "some wealthy gentleman keeps it empty now for tax reasons." LV made his horcruxes out of personal trophies and hid them in places of personal significance. What are the odds that the HOUSE is our missing horcrux, or at the very least is harboring it?
What a great thought! I bet we end up back at that house before book 7 is finished - though I still sort of wonder if Nagini is the horcrux from that book. She is, after all, in the house and kills that muggle for LV because the muggle overhears some talk. It's been a long time since I've read that one - does anyone know if Harry actually knows about that opening scene, maybe through a dream or something? I can't remember and I won't get a chance to read the book for a week or so...
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#386916 - 08/03/05 08:28 PM
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I'm still not clear on the how and why a death was necessary to create a horcrux. A truly dasterly deed was necessary to allow the soul to split? More than that, why would anyone WANT to split their soul into multiple pieces? So there'd always be something left? A bit of discussion might help clear this up for me and maybe some of the rest of us too.
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Slughorn explains to Riddle in 6 in that when one commits a murder, the act is so horrific that it actually splits the soul (murder is the only thing he mentions that could do that, if memory serves). The magician could then create a horcrux by taking the split off portion of soul and storing it in another object, for safekeeping if you'd want to call it that. That way, when said magician's body was destroyed, his soul would still survive, as though his consciousness merely shifted to the part of his soul stashed somewhere else. LV seems to have been the only magician who ever tried to do this more than once, and DD theorized that there were 7 total pieces to LV's soul. LV would have wanted 7 because it's a significant number in the magical arena. As for WHY LV would want to do this - 1) it makes him much closer to being immortal than he would otherwise be, something he seems to want; and 2) it's Voldemort. I'm not sure there are any limits to the atrocities he's capable of... I'm not sure splitting his soul that many times would phase him in the least if it helped him accomplish his goals...
What I've just started wondering is if there's only LV "himself" and 5 other horcruxes to worry about, rather than 6 - the avada curse is powerful enough that when it ricocheted and hit LV, I'm guessing it probably killed whatever part of his soul was currently residing in his body. This would explain some of the pain he mentioned in GoF, and then his consciousness would shift to a different horcrux. So as far as horcruxes go, we'd have the book (destoryed), the locket (found if not already destroyed), the ring (destroyed), and then only 2 others to worry about, rather than 3. What do people think about this?
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