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#689130 - 02/19/07 12:00 PM Re: The Real Daytona 500... Imagine
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Iknow it was a shame- Mark Martin is such a great guy too. I like Harvick and he did what he was suppose to do- win the race- but Oh it would have been great to see Mark win.

Poor JR!!

I don't know why on the flag issue but my gosh they had so little to go and the crashes were outrageous at the end.

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#689140 - 02/19/07 01:57 PM Re: The Real Daytona 500... pjs
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What a wild finish, I would have loved to see Mark Martin win but it wasn't meant to be.

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#689142 - 02/19/07 02:06 PM Re: The Real Daytona 500... Imagine
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How come there was no caution for the "big one" on the last lap?

this is just spitballing, but wouldn't the yellow be effective on the following lap?

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#689146 - 02/19/07 02:26 PM Re: The Real Daytona 500... Hated By Some
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Originally Posted By: Ron Mexico
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How come there was no caution for the "big one" on the last lap?

this is just spitballing, but wouldn't the yellow be effective on the following lap?


No Ron, as soon as the caution comes out, they freeze the field. Martin should have won that race. He even said in an interview, "I was waiting for the caution"
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#689149 - 02/19/07 02:30 PM Re: The Real Daytona 500... Bimmer
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obviously i have no idea as i never watch nascar but, being daytona, i was flipping back and forth and stopped to watch the last 8 laps.

i think the decision to not call a caution allowed them to settle the matter "on the field" but how often do they make such subjective interpretations of the rules?

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#689151 - 02/19/07 02:35 PM Re: The Real Daytona 500... Hated By Some
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Any more, it seems that they have been changing their minds every race.
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#689152 - 02/19/07 02:37 PM Re: The Real Daytona 500... Bimmer
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What about the driver who crossed the finish line upside down and on fire. Wow.

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#689153 - 02/19/07 02:45 PM Re: The Real Daytona 500... Creditcop
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the last 8 laps was admittedly very exciting and the last lap was intense! i would totally be the upside-down-on-fire guy if i were in nascar.

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#689171 - 02/19/07 04:24 PM Re: The Real Daytona 500... Hated By Some
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This is another case of NASCAR creating/altering rules as they see fit...I remember a Pepsi 400 a few years back when the field was wrecking behind the leaders with like under 3 to go, and instead of letting them race back to the caution (as Rusty was in the process of passing Michael Waltrip), they threw the caution and gave DEI another win at Daytona.

And for you conspiracy theorists out there...Dale Earnhardt died at Daytona 6 years ago yesterday in the #3. The #29 won it yesterday...go figure.

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#689205 - 02/19/07 05:31 PM Re: The Real Daytona 500... Bimmer
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Any more, it seems that they have been changing their minds every race.


I sometimes think that too, Bimmer.

One thing about Mark Martin he isn't whining about it like some others would. Yes, I wanted him to win and yes he was so so close.

Yeah, Daytona 500 is bittersweet to me- I hate it because Dale Sr died there and I'm still not over the anger part of that but I have to watch some of it every year because of Dale JR. Go figure.

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#689376 - 02/20/07 02:56 PM Re: The Real Daytona 500... Imagine
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Originally Posted By: NeophytePolitico
This is another case of NASCAR creating/altering rules as they see fit...I remember a Pepsi 400 a few years back when the field was wrecking behind the leaders with like under 3 to go, and instead of letting them race back to the caution (as Rusty was in the process of passing Michael Waltrip), they threw the caution and gave DEI another win at Daytona.

And for you conspiracy theorists out there...Dale Earnhardt died at Daytona 6 years ago yesterday in the #3. The #29 won it yesterday...go figure.


Frank, lol, you're not seriously stating that there is any conspiracy to let Harvick win (other than the random application of rules that vary by the moment and whatever fits Nascar's whim which is total BS)?

I would have loved to see MM win since he was on his 23rd try, but it's much more exciting to watch them race to the finish.

But, if the normal rule is that as soon as you would normally throw the yellow the field is frozen, then you shouldn't change from that just to make it more exciting.
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#689379 - 02/20/07 03:00 PM Re: The Real Daytona 500... MB Guy
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No no...I'm not saying NASCAR made Harvick win...
But I have seen NASCAR make BS calls in the past that have allowed certain drivers to win.

I remember Talladega a few years back with Jr. and Kenseth were dueling for the win, and Jr. most definetely went "out of bounds" and advanced his position. Where was NASCAR on that one?

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#689418 - 02/20/07 03:49 PM Re: The Real Daytona 500... Imagine
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All I have to say is out of Tony, JR, Jimmy and Jeff,
Jeff was the only one who finished the race (sure it was smashed against a wall, but he still crossed the finish line) Take that all you stewart and JR fans!! I was a little bummed that JR's engine didn't blow in the first few laps, but that wreck sure make up for it...

P.S. On that note, I got really excited when on the first few laps they were saying there was smoke coming from his car... Too bad it was just dust from the track or tire smoke...
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#689423 - 02/20/07 03:52 PM Re: The Real Daytona 500... Clown Boy
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Oh, and did anyone else think Nick Cage WAYYYYYYYY over did the national anthem? Just when I thought he couldn't make life any worse, he has to ruin the Daytona 500!!
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#689590 - 02/20/07 05:50 PM Re: The Real Daytona 500... Clown Boy
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#689628 - 02/20/07 06:17 PM Re: The Real Daytona 500... MB Guy
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That story is aweful... probably written by some jock strap that has never even watched a whole race.

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Itís why Johnny Benson wasnít flagged for driving below the yellow line in Friday nightís Truck Series race, even though NASCAR has made that part of the track a strict no-no. But NASCAR deemed Bensonís move legal.

Itís why in a week that saw six people thrown out of the garage for cheating, Jeff Gordon received only a slap on the wrist when his car failed an inspection.

Itís why Elliott Sadler and Scott Riggs were penalized for infractions that car owner Ray Evernham insisted are not even addressed in the rule book.

And itís why Michael Waltrip wasnít kicked out of the Daytona 500 after NASCAR found a fuel additive in his new Toyota Camry. The transgression was so blatant Pemberton said he was personally insulted. NASCAR cracked down on Waltrip with stiff penalties, but his presence in the race infuriated rival drivers.

First with Benson, Nascar rules say that passing under the yellow line is illegal. you can drive under the line all you want if you're not passing anyone. Then there's my driver, Jeff. when you remove too many spring rubbers and the springs get hot (usually from driving about 200MPH) the springs sometimes lower the car... It's not intentional and has happened to almost every driver at one point or another. Sadler and Riggs, both used unconventional ways to increase their cars potential, and although I don't agree with the suspentions, I do think racing should be fair. And lastly there's Mikey. What hasn't already been said about him? He has taken ownership on something that he wasn't even part of. I say give him a friggen brake.

Thought to ponder... If you are driving a friends car that just happens to be turbo charged to the point it's no longer street legal, and get pulled over, would it be fair if you were arrested for driving it even if you didn't know it was modified?
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#692976 - 02/26/07 05:40 AM Re: The Real Daytona 500... Clown Boy
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I'll be going for Jimmy and Jeff... However, if by some miracle one doesnít win followed by the other in a close 2nd, I suppose Iíll be happy if Mikey won. So his team cheated a littleÖ I remember one year were Stewartís team was hammering the spoiler down during a pit stop so there was less dragÖ Everyone cheats. Itís part of racing. But seeing as how Jeff is gonna win, it doesnít really matter. On a side note, Iím also hoping that Jr. blows an engine in the first few laps. That would really make my season start off on a good note.


I bet you enjoyed that race!!! Jr. blowing an engine was a good call, just a week too late.

So how about my man Jeff Gordon?!?!? He started the race with a car that he hadn't even tested! Wooo Hooo!!!!!
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#692999 - 02/26/07 02:13 PM Re: The Real Daytona 500... Bimmer
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Well...since RW retired, I've been pulling for Robby Gordon, but I have not had a clear "favorite".

Having said that though, I'm involved in a NASCAR pool in which we're given a spot 1-10, and whomever qualifies in that position is our driver for that race.

At Daytona, I had Kurt Busch...had, in my opinion, the best car there...get's caught up in Stewart's mess.

At California, I had Kevin Harvick...was catching Kenseth, caution put him right on Kenseth's bumper...and a flat tire...

So...I've not had a "good" year so far...

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#693017 - 02/26/07 02:42 PM Re: The Real Daytona 500... Imagine
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What I can't believe is that Mark Martin is number one on the standings and he won't be running a full season. Then there is the fact that they send 8 cars home (or so) that do not qualify for nextel cup but they can fill the field for Busch and truck. Yesterdays race was good but would have been better if Jeff had been in victory lane!!!
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#693021 - 02/26/07 02:46 PM Re: The Real Daytona 500... kms
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I honestly would not want to be in Mark Martin's shoes.
Ginn Racing has said, that if Mark wants, they will find a way to field a car for him the entire season.
Mark only wanted a part time schedule, but if he is still leading the points come Bristol, when he is supposed to vacate the car, how can he just leave?

he has a week off to think about it, but do not be surprised to see Mark race the entire year.

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#693077 - 02/26/07 03:52 PM Re: The Real Daytona 500... Bimmer
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Originally Posted By: Slappy Happy Clown Boy
I'll be going for Jimmy and Jeff... However, if by some miracle one doesnít win followed by the other in a close 2nd, I suppose Iíll be happy if Mikey won. So his team cheated a littleÖ I remember one year were Stewartís team was hammering the spoiler down during a pit stop so there was less dragÖ Everyone cheats. Itís part of racing. But seeing as how Jeff is gonna win, it doesnít really matter. On a side note, Iím also hoping that Jr. blows an engine in the first few laps. That would really make my season start off on a good note.


I bet you enjoyed that race!!! Jr. blowing an engine was a good call, just a week too late.

So how about my man Jeff Gordon?!?!? He started the race with a car that he hadn't even tested! Wooo Hooo!!!!!


Ha ha ha... Two races into the season and JR has yet to finish one... but Jeff is driving like he's still got the rainbow worriors behind him. (Does anyone even remember them? ) My season has started out great!!

Sorry to all those Jr. fans... I guess he just can't hang in the big leagues...
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