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#970865 - 06/06/08 05:03 PM
Obama Could Win 40 Percent Of Evangelicals
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Barack Obama is trying hard to win evangelical voters. Does that effort stand a chance?
If one third of white evangelicals voted for Bill Clinton the second time, at the height of Monica Lewinsky mess--that's a statistic I didn't believe at first but I double and triple checked it--I would not be surprised if that many or more voted for Barack Obama in this election. You're seeing some movement among evangelicals as the term [evangelical] has become more pejorative. There's a reaction among some evangelicals to swing out to the left in an effort to prove that evangelicals are really not that right wing. There's some concern that maybe Republicans haven't done that well. And there's this fascination with Barack Obama. So I will not be surprised if he gets one third of the evangelical vote. I wouldn't be surprised if it was 40-percent. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/06/religious-right-figure-ge_n_105667.htmlWe've got ourselves are devout bunch of Evangelicals here, so what do you think? Can Obama tap into the "religious right"? He's, without a doubt, the more publically religious of the two.
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#970867 - 06/06/08 05:05 PM
Re: Obama Could Win 40 Percent Of Evangelicals
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0% chance of the evangelicals I know
where does he worship now?
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#970871 - 06/06/08 05:07 PM
Re: Obama Could Win 40 Percent Of Evangelicals
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where does he worship now?
All jokes aside, that is a good question.
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#970874 - 06/06/08 05:08 PM
Re: Obama Could Win 40 Percent Of Evangelicals
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wonder where he worships in D.C.?
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#970878 - 06/06/08 05:13 PM
Re: Obama Could Win 40 Percent Of Evangelicals
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Hmmm, maybe because they are fed up with abortoin on demand, the redefining of marriage by courts sympathetic to Obama's views, their angst at his mischaracterization of them as "hanging onto guns and religion." These are just for starters.
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#970891 - 06/06/08 05:25 PM
Re: Obama Could Win 40 Percent Of Evangelicals
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Can Obama tap into the "religious right"? He's, without a doubt, the more publically religious of the two. No Christians I know are voting for him except for diehard Liberals.
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#970892 - 06/06/08 05:27 PM
Re: Obama Could Win 40 Percent Of Evangelicals
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GL: First and foremost, do you deny that there are other issues that Evangelicals look at besides abortion and gay marriage? BF: #1. Who has questions of his faith? #2. Do you buy into the "Obama is a Muslim" smear? #3. As with GL, are there no "liberal" Evangelicals? Might I suggest you both visit this site: http://faith.barackobama.com/page/content/faithhome
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#970902 - 06/06/08 05:33 PM
Re: Obama Could Win 40 Percent Of Evangelicals
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Don't visit that link. It's spin doctoring at its best. Don't you get it? We are fed spoon for spoon what they want you to know and believe.
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#970908 - 06/06/08 05:38 PM
Re: Obama Could Win 40 Percent Of Evangelicals
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Don, why do you think Evangelicals will not vote for Obama? Frank - why do you think they will? His current choices in following his faith have led him to the mess he is in, having to publicly denounce his pastor of "20 plus years" and the Catholic Church asking another of his religious leaders to step down. I'm certain that he is now doing polls to determine which pastor is best for his image and his campaign, and it is not a faith-based decision he will make, but one on what will garner him the most support.
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#970919 - 06/06/08 05:51 PM
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GL: First and foremost, do you deny that there are other issues that Evangelicals look at besides abortion and gay marriage? I think there are alot of issues Neo, but many of those issues are on a same general spectrum as this. Abortion and the general right to life, including protecting ones life, ones loved ones and ones property through use of righteous force via the Second Amendment. How about general family issues and the very understanding of what a family connotates? How about the right to chhose one's own physician rather than have it handpicked for you by a massive bureaucracy? Many of these issues mean alot to those evangelical voters (of which I do not fall into the category although I agree with them on certain issues). SO no, it is not simply 2 issues, thise 2 issues reflect alot of other positions.
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#970935 - 06/06/08 06:04 PM
Re: Obama Could Win 40 Percent Of Evangelicals
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GL: First and foremost, do you deny that there are other issues that Evangelicals look at besides abortion and gay marriage? I think there are alot of issues Neo, but many of those issues are on a same general spectrum as this. Abortion and the general right to life, including protecting ones life, ones loved ones and ones property through use of righteous force via the Second Amendment. How about general family issues and the very understanding of what a family connotates? How about the right to chhose one's own physician rather than have it handpicked for you by a massive bureaucracy? Many of these issues mean alot to those evangelical voters (of which I do not fall into the category although I agree with them on certain issues). SO no, it is not simply 2 issues, thise 2 issues reflect alot of other positions. Ok, you're mixing political fundamentalism and being a religious Evangelical. I do not deny that abortion and marriage issues are very important to Evangelical voters, but there is more to the "right to life" issue than abortion and guns (which I find intriguing that you'd bring up gun ownership in a debate on religious and faith issues and Evangelical votes). Perhaps those concerned with the "right to life" are concerned about the nature of poverty in this country? Perhaps they are concerned with the way we are treating our planet? You need to branch out from the abortion and gay marriage issue.
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#970946 - 06/06/08 06:10 PM
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GL: First and foremost, do you deny that there are other issues that Evangelicals look at besides abortion and gay marriage? I think there are alot of issues Neo, but many of those issues are on a same general spectrum as this. Abortion and the general right to life, including protecting ones life, ones loved ones and ones property through use of righteous force via the Second Amendment. How about general family issues and the very understanding of what a family connotates? How about the right to chhose one's own physician rather than have it handpicked for you by a massive bureaucracy? Many of these issues mean alot to those evangelical voters (of which I do not fall into the category although I agree with them on certain issues). SO no, it is not simply 2 issues, thise 2 issues reflect alot of other positions. Ok, you're mixing political fundamentalism and being a religious Evangelical. I do not deny that abortion and marriage issues are very important to Evangelical voters, but there is more to the "right to life" issue than abortion and guns (which I find intriguing that you'd bring up gun ownership in a debate on religious and faith issues and Evangelical votes). Perhaps those concerned with the "right to life" are concerned about the nature of poverty in this country? Perhaps they are concerned with the way we are treating our planet? You need to branch out from the abortion and gay marriage issue. The problem is, the number one concern amongst the Evangelic voting block is just that, right to life, and right to faith. Obama has belittled the right to faith, and stands for abortion rights. Is protecting our planet important to Evangelicals? Sure, but is it more important than the topic of abortion? Not even close. What about the nature of poverty? Yes, it's important, but not more important than the topic of abortion, and frankly, most true Christians will tell you that giving to the government to give to the poor is a losing proposition. Better to give directly to the poor.
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#970956 - 06/06/08 06:13 PM
Re: Obama Could Win 40 Percent Of Evangelicals
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So true BF. So much more good is done for the needy not by the government, but by concerned citizens who take initiative.
And that includes classic liberals who have done much good as private citizens without the help of the government, i.e. Jimmy Carter and his Habitat for Humanity, Clinton's Foundation etc.
All without the U.S. Government, which has been and always will be an inefficient and ineffective source of charitable initiatives no matter what party holds office.
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#971048 - 06/06/08 07:26 PM
Re: Obama Could Win 40 Percent Of Evangelicals
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Imagine - yes. Don't forget he and Kennedy tried to get an amnesty bill passed in the past.
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#971072 - 06/06/08 07:48 PM
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Imagine - yes. Don't forget he and Kennedy tried to get an amnesty bill passed in the past. and yet only 29% of Hispanic voters support McCain
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#971077 - 06/06/08 07:59 PM
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Thats because the other 71% are here illeagally and can't vote
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#971078 - 06/06/08 08:00 PM
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Good. I'm hispanic. I don't want ANY kind of amnesty. If it were up to me I'd spend the money to deport those here illegally, regardless of their country of origin. Can you believe they feed you ( pay attention Image ) nonsense like "they are hard workers" and "family oriented" instead of the REAL immediate issue that they are BREAKING THE LAW of the land by being here.
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#971083 - 06/06/08 08:02 PM
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exactly...that is why my town now has half of its popluation...
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#971089 - 06/06/08 08:06 PM
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Well, I am good and hardworking. Is it ok for me to break certain laws that will benefit me so I can earn a better living than I do now?
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#971093 - 06/06/08 08:12 PM
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could you look yourself in the mirror the next day and be comfortable with yourself?
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#971104 - 06/06/08 08:30 PM
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With my flintstone mug, probably not.
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